all those dwarves


Subject: all those dwarves
From: Jive Monkey (monkey_jive@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Apr 02 2001 - 01:24:26 GMT


I don't think Holden "folded," but I've never believed he really intended to
run away in the first place. He just wanted someone to need him, to show
him their need. He was, quite simply, Looking for Love in all the Wrong
Places. I've always thought that he couldn't leave Phoebe, as he knew how
much it would hurt her (he'd experienced it himself).

The carousel is a metaphor for life, too. You sit on your old & beat-up
brown horse, and you go around and around, and if you try to grab the gold
ring you fall off. Smoke gets in your eyes, and sometimes, if you're wearing
a blue coat, you look really nice. I think Holden saw himself on the
carousel, and it was ok. I don't think the ending was weak, just open to
interpretation.

andy
phony is as phony does

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From: Suzanne Morine <suzannem@dimensional.com>
Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
Subject: CITR and Six Degrees of Separation
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:26:56 -0600

I just saw Six Degrees of Separation (1993) last night for the first time.
It includes an analysis of The Catcher in the Rye and I feel that the end
of the movie also relates back to that analysis. I looked around online for
anyone discussing or expanding on this and found nothing. Also, the
bananafish archives go back to 1997 and a search there turned up nothing.

If you want to read the relevant parts of the movie, they are online:
<http://www.whysanity.net/monos/sdop.html>
<http://www.whysanity.net/monos/degrees.html>

Anyone have thoughts on it? Disagreements with it?

One thing I question is the idea that Holden "folds" at the end of the
story. I assume "fold" here is like quitting a card game when the stakes
get too high/risky. Since Holden writes about everything with such passion
and wit *after* that "folding" point, I don't entirely buy that
interpretation. But it is an interesting thought that Salinger made Holden
so engaged in writing about his struggle only to keep the book interesting
but that Holden did acquiesce in his struggle by the end, in the rain by
the carrousel. I mean, otherwise, I've always thought that ending was weak.

Suzanne

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