RE: An American Manifesto was Ghost World


Subject: RE: An American Manifesto was Ghost World
ZazieZazie@hetnet.nl
Date: Tue Aug 07 2001 - 06:42:49 GMT


At 10:26 AM 8/6/2001 -0700, Cecilia Baader wrote:
>ObSal: I finally had the opportunity to listen to Will's and Chris's
>fine interview on NPR's Talk of the Nation. (I love that Juan
>Williams.) One of the callers had a point that I thought Will handled
>exceptionally well, that low-income, inner city teens, this same group
>that I've been discussing above, cannot relate to Holden's viewpoint,
>simply because of his economic status. Will disagreed; how about the
>rest of you?

Well, i am not privileged, i think, and i could fully relate to Holden. I think.
I mean, if someone has the determination to read the entire book, or is
caught up in it, it they are gonna relate, no matter wheter they're rich or poor
Maybe the part about the prep school but that is not the major part of the book.

>Suzanne:
>That said, it occurred to me that the difference between seeing a concise
>quote with some Holdenisms removed or seeing it more in its original state,
>to someone who hadn't yet warmed to Holden, Holden could seem less likable
>in the longer quote. Just an example, compare these two quotes:
>
>"I'm always saying 'Glad to've met you' to somebody I'm not at all glad I
>met. If you want to stay alive, you have to say that stuff, though."
>
>"Then she left. The Navy guy and I told each other we were glad to've met
>each other. Which always kills me. I'm always saying 'Glad to've met you'
>to somebody I'm not at all glad I met. If you want to stay alive, you have
>to say that stuff, though."
>

In theory, orphaned quotes are always less clear than complete text
but i couldn't see it from this quote.

However, I was really shocked when i heard about the controversy surrounding
the book because it had the word fuck in it. I really couldn't believe ppl would
judge a book like citr just on THAT! Maybe it was wrong but i discarded it,
as something typical american.
Z.

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