Re: if the elevator operators are arch-enemies

"She was very disturbed by the mediocrity of it all and her participation in it, and wasn't able to overcome that disturbance until she learned to see "Christ" (her ideals)represented in the mediocre."

Yes, wow

It might take a few days for something like this to sink in,
but yes.

So we don't live in Omlor's world, after all, if we don't want to.

luke

ps, I might still wonder if there are places where it's simply impossible to see one's ideals represented, simply because they are worlds premised (but definitely not consciously) on constructing superlative horses out of internalities. Sort of like on the old maps, <i>HERE THERE BE MONSTERS</i> (Stephen King's tygers)

there's also another great line in "Pirates of the Caribbean" that also parallels The Omlor's roar YOU LIVE IN MY WORLD
and forgive me if I botch it, but it was something like: "You'd better start believing in ghost stories... you're in one"

-------Original Message-------
From: Jim Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu>
Sent: 08/03/03 04:56 PM
To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
Subject: Re: if the elevator operators are arch-enemies

>
> Scottie -- Ok...thanks. I'd lost track of the thread. Yes, the
narrator of TLM is anonymous as far as I remember. Is it supposed to be
a Buddy story?

Luke -- In my experience, accusations of a mediocre (or otherwise
screwed up) world isn't uncommon among adolescents. I'm thinking of the
young man that just joined the list (welcome) -- he seemed to empathize
with Holden. But I think we need to keep in mind that the Salinger hero
is hardly a typical adolescent. These are people who have been reading
Kant since the age of 6 and Sanskrit since the age of 3 :).

So the principle of "non-discrimination" is something the little dears
occupying Salinger's universe have to grow in to, not something they
maintain without struggle.

This is actually the main site of struggle, actually. The Salinger hero
is far beyond mediocrity, so naturally sees the world around him as
mediocre. On the other hand, the Salinger hero maintains ideals
(represented by Eastern and Christian teachings, at least -- and here is
where the principle of non-discrimination comes in) that go against
his/her perception. That's why the realization that "the fat lady is
Christ" was such a big deal to Franny. She was very disturbed by the
mediocrity of it all and her participation in it, and wasn't able to
overcome that disturbance until she learned to see "Christ" (her ideals)
represented in the mediocre.

At any rate, it was only after a great deal of Angst and Difficulty that
she adopted, or at least learned to live out, the principle of
non-discrimination.

For Holden, this meant eventually "missing everyone."

Jim

Scottie Bowman wrote:

> '... So it's Buddy drooling over Seymour, isn't it ...'
>
> I understood the original reference to be to The Laughing
> Man.
>
> Where the narrator remains anonymous? No?
>
> Scottie B.
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