RE: Of Spirit and Fire

 
Daniel,

When I described myself as "sans Spirit," I was not just speaking of those
old Judeo-Christian god stories. I meant without any of it. Of any age.
Without sweat-lodges or chakras or maharishis or covens and certainly
without Hegelian Geist. Now, there is no other single philosopher in the
history of Western thought more fully and thoroughly informed by Hegelian
Spirit than Marx. And via his reading, Lenin and Trotsky are as well. So
they have nothing to do with what I have been discussing. They are
believers, all the way, with upper case values at all times. You are
ill-informed.
John O.
 
Good, good, it gets clearer but what uppercase values is Hegelian Geist
built upon? Yea Hegel had his absolute Idea, his philosophical averaging.
But Hegel's spirit had the knack of evolving therefore in application no
absolute Idea could ever be agreed on. You have discarded this deceit but
in application it is the same, instead of referring to the Geist you refer
to Omlor. People make philosophical claims to upper case values all the
time but that does not mean those claims are True or even False. You make
value claims frequently with the rhetoric of the upper case but turn them
all to smoke with a direct disavowal. Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky made and
acted on some politically powerful value claims but the crucible of the real
world (non Omlor and non Hegel) crushed them into powder. You make value
claims sin Geist but who would know otherwise from your rhetoric?

Also, I wrote nothing at all about Rummy (aka Donald Rumsfeld). I wrote
about John Ashcroft. Sometimes, I think you just scan rather than read.
John O.
 
Yes, I was in error, you wrote the Truth, it was John Ashcroft. You have a
better grasp of big T truth then you admit.
Daniel
 
And he's not just a Bible thumping hypocrite and zealot, he's a bigot as
well, and is using "defense against terrorism" as a sleazy cover for his
twisted evangelism. So now we have the true believers protecting us from
other true believers. It's all really charming.
John O.
 
So is this rhetoric true or True. If it is only true then it is most
certainly "just you". And if it is just you, then why should you expect
anyone to share it, be it in the classroom, golf course etc? Wouldn't they
just construct their own truth concerning Ashcroft? Or all this rhetoric
just your way of sharing you and not meant to inform others' truth?
Daniel

Though no more charming than that "standing Church" you mentioned providing
cover to men who take sexual advantage of young boys and then offering hush
money to the families of the victims -- at least until the publicity made it
no longer possible for it to do so. Meanwhile, it sends out a letter
threatening any member of its community if they vote or come out in favor of
two people who love each other getting married if they happen to be of the
same gender. It's appalling, actually. There's room for everyone, huh?
John O.
 
John it is here where you are ill-informed. the standing Church is not an
institution codified in texts, it is people. If any sexual advantage is
taken by anyone of anyone be they Roman Catholic or atheist professors I
support justice in these matters and any hushing must be exposed and justice
applied there as well, Truth applies to all. But in Omlor world, what
exactly does it mean to take sexual advantage? Now concerning letters and
votes, again you are speaking of an institution, and as a former Roman
Catholic I have learned that they will be obeyed by those who would have
already voted that way to begin with and those who vote differently will
continue to vote differently and if the Roman Catholic Church threatens
expulsion from membership in that institution then what is it to
non-members? Why would any one Join an institution that places supreme
authority in one man and then balk at obeying that authority and then
becoming upset at being expelled from said organization? I left the Roman
Catholic Church with no persecution from them, so why does this bother you
so much? With your truth you vote your way and they vote theirs with their
truth, isn't that how it works in Omlor world? But yet you rail? Unfair?
What is fair in Omlor world?
Daniel

Finally, a question: what do Butler, PA and Almagorda, NM have in common?
John O.
 
That would be Alamogordo - fat cottonwood tree. Alamogordo is in the south
in an area we call 'Little Texas' and I have never heard of the other two
despite the fact that I have been to hundreds of little towns in New Mexico.
Daniel

All the best,

--John

There it is, Thanks.
Daniel

PS: Answer -- they both have Christian churches that organized bonfires to
burn the new Harry Potter book. In each cases, the book-burnings were
well-attended by local parishioners. There are a number of other American
cities on the list as well.
John O.
 
Who's books did they burn? Books they purchased? At least they are only
burning books and not crucifying people. But why should burning books
trouble any one in Omlor world? Do texts have some sort of sacred value?
You may say they are closed minded and I may too but I have read a few books
that I literally threw away. Is book burning unacceptable rhetoric in
Omlor world?
Daniel

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