Re: The Gospels

Ok,
to avoid my earlier mistake of arguing the complete gospels at once, let me
take this one point at a time, specifically the fish symbology. Yes, in the
first century, (perhaps even in Jesus' lifetime, but there's no proof of
that) Christian were using the symbol of the fish to identify themselves.
The 2 reference points that I have for Jesus being a gnostic are the
following:
1) If you look at the symbol, it is a downward arc intersecting an upward
arc. This represents a pythagorean ratio for the area of two identical
circles intersecting to the point of the center of each circle. This was a
gnostic symbol pre-Christian use, which the now-christian gnostics simply
continued to use. Oh, in pre-christian gnostic use, God was often, if not
usually a woman, and the word ichthys also means womb and dolphin, referring
to mermaids, a reference to the sea goddess. It was, as womb, meant to be
taken as the womb of Isis. Further, :
2) In John 21, a story is told about Jesus telling the fishermen when &
where to cats their nets. This is a recycled story previously told about
Pythagoras. In the Pythagorean story, the number isn't mentioned, it's
reserned for the inner circle. In John, the number is mentioned: 153, which
is part of the aforementioned circle ratio. Just one of many tell-tale
signs of gnostisism that slipped through, despite the Holy Roman Empire. No
doubt, things would have been edited differently had they known how much
gnostic material was still included.
"hit me with your best shot" tina

>Roll em up. Take me out :).
>
>Rrroarrw :)
>
>Jim
>
>PS Good point about Holden. It's nothing I've considered before, but like I
>said, I'll look for it next time I read.
>
>Jim
>
>tina carson wrote:
>
> > Jim, Jim, Jim,
> > Shall we just agree to disagree on this topic or shall I roll up my
>sleeves
> > and take you out?
> > "tough as nails" tina
> >
> > >Ok, when I read this in your previous post:
> > >
> > >>ie the sign of the fish for Christianity,
> > >
> > >I took that to mean the "fish" symbol. However, in the Gospel accounts
>the
> > >"fish" isn't a symbol of Christianity, it's a symbol for the lost, "I
>will
> > >make you fishers of men" -- the lost are like fish that need to be
>caught.
> > >
> > >There's a great deal of anti-gnostic polemic in Paul, whose epistles
>(when
> > >Pauline authorship isn't widely debated) were written well before any
>of
> > >the Gospel accounts. For that matter, there's also anti-Gnostic
>polemic in
> > >the epistles of John, "If anyone says that Christ has not come in the
> > >flesh, he is not of God." The idea that early Christianity was
>primarily a
> > >Gnostic movement is snake-oil salesman scholarship and has little to no
> > >textual support.
> > >
> > >Oh, that's right...all the evidence was destroyed in a conspiracy.
> > >
> > >Please :)
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >tina carson wrote:
> > >
> > >>Jim,
> > >>You seem to have misunderstood. Allow me to be more clear.
> > >>The fish that I was referring to is, specifically the story of the
> > >>fisherman with a poor catch, then Jesus tells them when to throw their
> > >>nets in. This is an old story of Pythagoras. Yes, though, there is
>ample
> > >>evidence that early Christians used the fish as a symbol, which itself
>is
> > >>a pythagorean formula for two circle merging. Jesus was a gnostic,
>his
> > >>followers were gnostics following the new gnostic leader, and this was
> > >>widely accepted until the Council of Nicea when Constantine and the
>Church
> > >>were grasping for power. Gnosticism would take the power out of the
>hands
> > >>of the clergy, so it had to be put down. The Church now glosses over
> > >>this. They even martyred Valentinus for being a gnostic, then made
>him a
> > >>saint.
> > >>tina
> > >>
> > >
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