Re: not playing so nice

"You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything"
-Aaron Tippin

>That's a pretty twisted juxtaposition, Tina, given the ethics of Hitler and
>the
>ethics behind the Sermon on the Mount, which Western Civ. has yet to
>surpass. I
>mean good lord, Kant's categorical imperative is just a retooled "do unto
>others."
>
>You really should learn your subject a bit more before you speak with such
>unquestioned certainty.
>
>Jim
>
>tina carson wrote:
>
> > All this was inspired by the principle -- which is quite true in itself
>--
> > that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility;
>because
> > the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the
>deeper
> > stata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and
>thus in
> > the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims
>to
> > the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small
>lies
> > in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale
>falsehoods.
> > It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and
> > they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort
>the
> > truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may
>be
> > brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will
> > continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the
>grossly
> > impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been
>nailed
> > down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all
>who
> > conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well
>how
> > to use falsehood for the basest purposes.
> > -Adolf Hitler
> >
> > This is my beloved Son; listen to him
> > Mark 9:7
> >
> > Hmmmm.......
> > tina
> >
> > >I think there's a bit of difference between the two claims. Most
>people I
> > >know (but not all) accept that "calling someone the only begotten son
>of an
> > >invisible god" isn't something that's self-evident -- it's not like
>walking
> > >under a tree and noticing the shade. No one (or very few, and they're
> > >weirdos) is saying, "Come, here, I will show you Christ and you can see
>for
> > >yourself. He's living in Peoria -- just a short plane trip away." If
>they
> > >do claim to be able to show you Christ, it would be through a mystical
> > >experience of some sort you'd have to be open to from the beginning,
>and
> > >one that you'd have to judge for yourself. Still not a slam dunk.
>And
> > >even beyond that, people are perfectly free to say it's all irrelevant
>to
> > >them as you have. I really don't see too many people preaching on
>these
> > >boards. Daniel almost does, but honestly I have a hard time making out
> > >what he says sometimes too.
> > >
> > >However, making accusations of bigotry in a public official should be
> > >something that's self evident, once the relevant proof has been
>offered.
> > >It's also immediately relevant to everyone who is a US citizen. If
>this
> > >guy really is a flaming bigot and is in a nationally prominent public
> > >office, we should be calling for his resignation. There shouldn't be
>any
> > >question about that.
> > >
> > >I'm only speaking, of course, from the point of view of the bland civic
> > >morality that passes around US society as our ethical lingua franca.
>It
> > >seems like the easiest middle ground to establish in a discussion like
> > >this.
> > >
> > >Anyway, I know some evidence about Ashcroft is out there. I've heard
>the
> > >stories. I think there's one about a judge in a state he used to
>govern.
> > >And another about a study conducted of the US judicial system that
> > >concluded there's no racism in it. I'm pretty sure you have too...just
>a
> > >little bit of web browsing should pull up the news articles. I'm
>curious
> > >why you don't bother. Very little effort.
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >Omlor@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >>Luke writes:
> > >>
> > >>"...if you're going to call a person "sleazy" and a "bigot," you'd
>better
> > >>damn well prove it..."
> > >>
> > >>But I have faith.
> > >>
> > >>Man, you call someone the only begotten son of an invisible god and
>you
> > >>don't have to prove any of it. But you call them a sleazy
>sheep-fucker
> > >>and suddenly faith isn't good enough.
> > >>
> > >>Oh, well...
> > >>
> > >>--John (on the road somewhere in Central Florida)
> > >
> >
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