Great rhetoric John O., in your world I have Fables and Myth and you have meaningful amusements, like Kafka the religion with whom you frequently dine.  Imagination, some have different objects for their imagination to work upon and for some these objects are historical and others fictional but the last time I checked the fictional ones were negligible but the historical ones aren't.   When speaking only from personal experience nothing can matter since you too are thinking you are seeing in your world just like you are so quick to point out to everyone else and you have to swallow it all and satisfaction comes from resisting the swim up river but lying flaccid and letting it take you to the sea of you and there can be no choosing of occurrences but accepting them as they are but we know this, at the very bottom, is not true because your political rhetoric strives (on lists, classrooms, and golf courses) to make changes in the larger world for others.  For some one who places so much stock in personal experience how do you know what's best for others?  How do you even know what amuses others?  Don't you know that your rhetoric is at odds with the satisfaction and amusements of others?  But of course all that can't matter because all of us others are uncertain to the personal experiences of John O. we too are mere tooth fairies and easter bunnies to John O., so if some are dashed to the rocks below, they are expendable in Omlor world, unless we can provide a momentary worldly amusement for his sticky personal experience.  Now, stickiness is great but in Omlor world others are just a tool.  What is that anyway to the uncertain knowing of Omlor world?  Where clever rhetoric, political power, and personal experience reigns supreme.  If we entered Omlor world we would have to bow and scrape not from free will choice but because some one beats are heads and knees low with power in their rhetoric.  There is no T-truth to share but only the personal experience of the fittest to guide those with power over others.   So is this the meaning that is offered to the devotees of Omlor world?  We are told, "come let us over throw so that we may be free" and many join in the deconstruction to find the masters of the power of politics and rhetoric swooping in to pick up the pieces for consumption for their personal experiences and amusements.  Now John may not desire dominion over anyone but his allegiance to personal experience and his firm grasp of power, politics, and rhetorics react quite chemically into a very rapid release of uncontrolled energy which unravels order and the re-establishment of order comes at a higher cost thanks to the 2nd law of thermodynamics.  Now, who's order is destroyed?  Well in Omlor world, all order eventually.   So again, what do you MEAN by "All the best"?
 
Marx and Lenin wanted all the best but their rhetoric left out the Achilles hill of personal experience, and their paradise was ripe for the vision of those with the clever rhetoric and powerful politics to reign supreme which was just the harrowing of the soil for the seed of the next revolution with visions of their paradise born of personal experience.  Now religion can carry the same seeds of self destruction but there is religion that clings to the division of power until the "tooth fairy" can set things aright.  This vision makes room for Omlors but the Omlor world has no hedge against the brave new world and God Help us, both friends and enemies and enemies fro that world.
 
Think about it, the brave new world is the vision of those with more clever rhetoric and no moral limits to impede them from fulfilling their vision.  Luke's world depends on the spirit returning to the physical and if Jesus is a fable then what does John have to fear?  But the utopias of John's material amusements is filled with tactile iron bars for walls, guns that accelerate hunks of metal at high speed, test tubes for amusing ones self in juggling the human genome, and the rest of the list of who must surrender their power to whomever plays enough golf to negotiate deals between holes.  Some say that their are always winners and loser in the Omlor world of politics, power, and rhetoric, but if this is so then why do so many rage against the unfairness of it all?  Raging?  You just eat or are eaten.  Tina is right, we are all head pinchers but some of us are more Truthful about it.  We eat each other but some of us have found substitute flesh.
Daniel
 
 

Hi Jim,

I think if you go back and look, the phrase "produce a similar effect" referred specifically to thinking one sees things...

And I was speaking from personal experience.

But it's no matter.  I'm satisfied with the discussion as it has occurred.  

And I've just had a very good afternoon.  :)

I'm off to other worldly amusements.

All the best,

--John