a friend of mine just read _frannie and zooey_ and had some questions about the religious aspects of it. i thought it might be interesting to post what i wrote to her to everyone here. probably this isn't the right time to talk about f&z since laura and sonny have brought up so many interesting "teddy" points...but oh well. :) here are some thoughts i have on f&z. ive also used the book _jd salinger_ by james lundquist a bit, in case you want to read it. its really interesting to go back and read this criticism about him, because it makes me realize so many new ideas and i get all excited about salinger all over again. (and to will, re: your comments on literary critism about salinger from weeks ago: yes, you were right, reading a little more of his critism in order to write this did give me lots of new insights and i realized that there are fresh, deep ideas and it's a mistake to write them off. sometimes it just gets tiring when you get the feeling that they're overinterpreting and therefore stripping the writing of it's intrinsic, basic beauty.) anyway, rough thoughts: it helps if you consider this novel in very zen terms. if you don't know much about zen, i think i can explain as i explain. major themes for the glass family (i got these from the jds book by lundquist): "obscenity of life, redeeming value of love, zen emphasis on transcending ego." i guess i'll say a little about what i think each means. "basic obscenity of life" is just how horrifying the world can be. think of lane, frannie's boyfriend. he's so caught up in things that don't matter, like the fact that one of his teachers thinks he should publish some silly paper. he's stripped his major (english) of all the beauty it possesses by reducing it to terms of papers, and having enough of a knowledge of a subject to show off but not a deep enough understanding to realize and appreciate the beauty and power of words. he (and everyone he represents, obviously) does this with all of life, but i'm using english as an example because it's something dear to my heart. this (what he and those like him do) is obscene. "redeeming value of love" there are several interpretations of this, and i'm fairly foggy on them. one is, i think, just realizing that love can solve more problems than hate because it is...well, you know. yada yada yada..i don't really feel like talking about love, its too broad. i guess it's just that if you are fairly loving, not a hateful person, if you let the terrific things in life nourish you and keep you sane, you can deal with this overwhelming obscenity and hopefully not contribute to it too much. "zen emphasis on transcending the ego" zen says that the only way to enlightenment is by realizing that fundamentally the world and all it's creations are empty and false. a zen master would say that you are enlightened when you destroy the ego (because you realize that it is empty as well), and it no longer rules your life. salinger was a zen freak, and i believe that he was trying to show that frannie has become sick because of her interaction with this obscene world, the same phony-filled world that holden caufield in CITR became so tired of. she's trying to figure out a way to reconcile herself to living in this horrible world without succumbing to it, without becoming a phony and without depriving herself of the incredible joy that the world can give. maybe this conflict is a zen koan. a koan is an extremely difficult puzzle designed to make a zen neophyte think in a certain way. koans are unsolvable by logic, which is what zen wants to get rid of because it says it is ego-driven. one can only solve a koan by approaching it from many angles and finally getting so tired with it that logic breaks down, the ego malfunctions and then finally real understanding can come about. when frannie has broken down from trying to figure it out. when she lets go of logic and concerns, when she is not so tied to the jesus-prayer or anything like that to save her, only then will she be able to live in the world and be happy again. frannie is trying to use the jesus prayer to get out of the physical world and transcend her ego, but it will not work because she is still so tied to that world. well... that seems to make sense, and i know i've said it twice, but i can't quite figure out how. time for a hint from the lundquist book. it says (and this seems to make sense) she's too critical. she misses the "essential unity of all things" because she is too harsh on the world. because of this perspective, she withdraws from the world of the phonies, but cannot achieve enlightenment because she is still too critical of it, and therefore tied to it. now in the end, has she become enlightened? i definitely think so, because 1) "she lay just lay quiet, smiling at the ceiling." notice the word just. very zen-ish. she was just there, just being. 2) "a break in the dial tone, of course, followed the formal break in the connection. she appeared to find it extraordinarily beautiful to listen to..." she's made her peace with the world, she's not upset with the phonies and their creations. 3) the frequent references to "knowing exactly what to do." she no longer has to be indecisive and halting, because now she has the answers. there is no hesitation, only the fluidity of a simple life. so, bananafishies, what do you think? did i screw up any major points? lagusta