> I must to agree with yours consistent arguments but you forgot the > most important thing: Holden hates the religion concept and in > special > the christianism. Remenber when he meet a christian boy ( a tennis > enthusiast) in the Woolbridge(?) College? That's the point! as far as i remember the tennis boy was a *catholic*. which is a very different thing from a christian. :) holden doesn't hate all religion. he liked jesus. he just hated the apostles. regarding caul => caulfield, my english teacher always told us that ackley was a derivative of acne. i read teddy again a few days ago, to have a fresher view on this discussion. that night, i had a nightmare that i was Mr. McArdle. i was on an 84 bus heading south down nassau street, and i had this irritating, precocious, unfeeling son, who kept repeating 'i may be just an orange peel' over and over and over again, and i ended up screaming 'I'LL ORANGE PEEL *YOU*, YA LITTLE SHIT' at him. what is my subconcious trying to tell me? any ideas? i also read raise the high roofbeam again. i have never sympathised with a character more. i reread it on an over-crowded train, in sweltering august sun, wearing my gimpy officey job interview clothes (helena: the corporate slave), and i was *SO* hot, and wanted air conditioning, and just *wished* that buddy was there to invite me and the other sweaty, grouchy people to his apartment.... but he wasn't. good night. it's 1:23 am. -- :helena http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/4801/