> `...If you look at a lot of that poetry - be it WWI or WWII - > the message is literally `play the game and you can't lose' > (there's one particular one whose name escapes me which > compares war with a game of cricket)...' Of course, I should have said more specifically `pre WWI poetry'. And it's true - this poem really does exist and I was told was a favourite of turn-of-the-century schoolboys; and the implication was exactly that comparison between the public schoolboy cricket game and the warfield. The refrain was something like `Get up, go on, keep on playing the game'. If you have ever seen the movie `Oh! What A Lovely War' you'll see how the opening scenes are symbolic of that attitude to the Great War. People really didn't know what they were getting in to. For those who haven't seen it, the beginning of the war and the sense of excitement and pageantry are represented by a street parade. Naturally, once young men like Wilfred Owen and Siegfried Sassoon got a taste of what war was really like they demonstrated exactly the same opinion as Holden - they didn't want to play the game anymore. And interestingly enough, after Sassoon published his famous declaration denouncing the war, they had exactly the same reaction they did to Holden - they threw him in the loony bin. Unbelievable. Sorry about the confusion. P.S. Like Will I'm very much a dedicated pacifist. Camille verona_beach@geocities.com @ THE ARTS HOLE www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/6442 THE INVERTED FOREST www.angelfire.com/pa/invertedforest