Pet Sounds
Car Land Er Son (lost_hopes@hotmail.com)
Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:20:28 -0400 (EDT)
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>Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: same name (call for help included)
> by Laughing Man <the_laughing_man@hotmail.com>
> 2) Re: So let me see if I've got this one right...
> by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
> 3) Re: Star Wars Racist?
> by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
> 4) Re: This is my first message
> by Laughing Man <the_laughing_man@hotmail.com>
> 5) letter to list
> by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
> 6) Re: same name (call for help included)
> by Squeila@aol.com
> 7) Re: So let me see if I've got this one right...
> by Tim O'Connor <oconnort@nyu.edu>
> 8) Re: letter to list
> by Jean Hantman <j.hantman@worldnet.att.net>
> 9) Re: letter to list
> by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
> 10) Re: letter to list
> by Sundeep Dougal <holden@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in>
> 11) Dylan only?
> by Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com>
> 12) Abra and Zen
> by Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com>
> 13) Me and my macaroni
> by Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com>
> 14) Re: Me and my macaroni
> by jason varsoke <jjv@caesun.msd.ray.com>
> 15) Re: letter to list
> by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
> 16) Re: Waker ( a bit long)
> by Jean Hantman <j.hantman@worldnet.att.net>
> 17) Re: Dylan only?
> by "Byrd, Steven T " <BYRDS@papa.uncp.edu>
> 18) Re: Abra and Zen
> by ABRA <abra@post6.tele.dk>
> 19) Re: Star Wars Racist?
> by AntiUtopia@aol.com
> 20) Re: letter to list
> by AntiUtopia@aol.com
> 21) Re: letter to list
> by AntiUtopia@aol.com
> 22) Re: This is my first message
> by Ed Fenning <ed361@yahoo.com>
> 23) Re: letter to list
> by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
> 24) Re: So let me see if I've got this one right...
> by "Cecilia A. Baader" <cbaader@my-Deja.com>
> 25) Re: Star Wars Racist?
> by Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net>
> 26) Re: Star Wars Racist?
> by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
> 27) Re: letter to list
> by Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com>
> 28) Re: letter to list
> by Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com>
> 29) Gardening at Night
> by Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com>
> 30) Re: letter to list
> by Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com>
> 31) Re: letter to list
> by Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com>
> 32) Re: Gardening at Night
> by Kidneyboy@aol.com
> 33) Re: Star Wars Racist?
> by AntiUtopia@aol.com
> 34) Re: letter to list
> by AntiUtopia@aol.com
> 35) Re: Star Wars Racist?
> by Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net>
> 36) Re: Me and my macaroni
> by Catherine Marie <tangerineness@hotmail.com>
> 37) Re: Me and my macaroni
> by Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net>
> 38) Re: letter to list
> by Mike42082@aol.com
> 39) Re: Me and my macaroni
> by "rev. bob pigeon" <sid-vicious@mindspring.com>
> 40) identity revealed
> by Scottie Bowman <rbowman@indigo.ie>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Laughing Man <the_laughing_man@hotmail.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: same name (call for help included)
>Message-ID: <19990803085752.14947.qmail@hotmail.com>
>
>Is there any way of getting hold of this book? I'm waiting for "Hapworth
>16,
>1924", but some of you seem to have read this and other (like 'complete
>uncollected...') bootleg (?) copies of JDS' less famous work. Why is only
>Laughing Man kept in the dark?
>
>/Your Humble Servant
>TLM,
>in need of HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP
>
>
> >From: Squeila@aol.com
> >Reply-To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
> >Subject: same name
> >Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:34:26 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >I just finished reading some stories in The Complete Uncollected...
> >including Slight Rebellion Off Madison and ...No Waist At All, and I
> >noticed
> >that the couple that Ray and Barbara meet in Waist have the last name as
> >Sally in Rebellion (and Catcher?). Is it common thought that these
>people
> >are meant to be related?
> >
> >Leila
>
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 05:01:48 -0400 (EDT)
>From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: So let me see if I've got this one right...
>Message-ID: <199908030901.FAA16350@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca>
>
> New York appears to be in the middle of a drought and there's no water in
>the pond.
>
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Quel Desastre! We'll send an iceberg down from the Great White North
>immediately, to keep all Gothamites cool, and moisten up Manhattan when it
>melts.... Could you make arrangements, Tim, to have it towed directly to
>the duck pond in Central Park South?
>
>Welcome back, Cecilia...
>
>Cheers,
>
>Paul
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 05:03:35 -0400 (EDT)
>From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist?
>Message-ID: <199908030903.FAA16406@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca>
>
>My daughter's pregnant?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 02:57:27 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Laughing Man <the_laughing_man@hotmail.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: This is my first message
>Message-ID: <19990803095728.75561.qmail@hotmail.com>
>
>Welcome Carl! I know what you mean about the “why bother”-thoughts. Often
>before you get real into something, it doesn’t make as much sense as when
>you are in the middle of it. Perspectives are funny things. Like Camille (I
>think it was), I agree that almost no blabber is blabber enough, once you
>get started. So join in the fun.
>
>I for one think it is splendid to listen to conversations from ppl I don’t
>know. I haven’t met many 16-year olds since I was a teenager myself some
>hundred of years ago, with whom I in real life would discuss literature on
>equal terms. The situations just aren’t there. I worked extra as a high
>school teacher during my university studies, and met many bright students,
>but to call the discussions we had there “on equal terms” would be
>stretching it. On forum like this, of course the words of some of the
>bulk-posters have a somewhat heavier impact than yours or mine. But write
>interesting stuff, and what you write counts as it stands. No more and no
>less. That is the beauty of it.
>
>Again, welcome. I am sure you can hold quite intelligent conversation, so
>conversate away!
>
>/TLM
>
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 06:23:00 -0400 (EDT)
>From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: letter to list
>Message-ID: <199908031023.GAA18676@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca>
>
>I'm trying to find a place for Scottie in the canon... (NOT a cannon! THE
>canon, the Salinger canon....) I can't....
>
>It's a silly game, really. But there's no doubt in my mind that Camille is
>either Esme or Phoebe. Sonny is Seymour--'though I'd hardly want to wish
>that heavy mantle onto such a nice man. We're all wannabe Holdens. Where
>does Scottie fit in?
>
>I can't think of a character he resembles in anything of Salinger's I've
>read. In fact, it's necessary to regress further into my literary past to
>find someone with Scottie'
>s particular blend of loveable grumblings.... Scottie is Eeyore. Toss him
>some gorse and he'll be happier than Holden anticipating his rendez-vous
>with Sally at the Biltmore.... He just needs something gritty to chew on.
>
>Tim, by the way, is Owl. No doubt about it. Camille is Kanga....
>
>(and originals of ALL the above--plus, of course, Pooh--can be seen on the
>second floor of the NY Public Library, right across the street from
>MOMA....
>
>Regards,
>
>Tigger
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:08:46 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Squeila@aol.com
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: same name (call for help included)
>Message-ID: <c710380b.24d843de@aol.com>
>
>In a message dated 99-08-03 04:59:54 EDT, you write:
>
><< Is there any way of getting hold of this book? I'm waiting for "Hapworth
>16,
> 1924", but some of you seem to have read this and other (like 'complete
> uncollected...') bootleg (?) copies of JDS' less famous work. Why is only
> Laughing Man kept in the dark?
>
> /Your Humble Servant
> TLM,
> in need of HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP
> >>
>
>where do you live?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:15:43 -0400
>From: Tim O'Connor <oconnort@nyu.edu>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: So let me see if I've got this one right...
>Message-ID: <19990803091543.A26324@anthrax.acf.nyu.edu>
>
>On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 05:01:48AM -0400, Paul Kennedy wrote:
>
> > New York appears to be in the middle of a drought and there's no water
>in
> > the pond.
> >
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Quel Desastre! We'll send an iceberg down from the Great White North
> > immediately, to keep all Gothamites cool, and moisten up Manhattan when
>it
> > melts.... Could you make arrangements, Tim, to have it towed directly
>to
> > the duck pond in Central Park South?
>
>I'll see aboot that, eh? I haven't checked on the pond recently (now
>that I no longer live adjacent to the park, I don't see it as often),
>but all icebergs are welcome. In fact, half the boulders in the park,
>contrived as they are, are the result of glacial activity back when
>Seymour was a boy. So, Paul, you can not only save the ducks, but you
>can leave your own mark on Central Park without getting a ticket from
>our Lord Mayor.
>
>BTW, did I say that I laughed mightily when I read the summaries of who
>did and said what to whom?
>
>Boy, did I need a good laugh.
>
>--tim
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:25:13 -0400
>From: Jean Hantman <j.hantman@worldnet.att.net>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <000e01beddcc$c5c76ac0$ded44e0c@JHantman>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Kennedy <kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu <bananafish@lists.nyu.edu>
>Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 6:23 AM
>Subject: letter to list
>
>
> >I'm trying to find a place for Scottie in the canon... (NOT a cannon!
>THE
> >canon, the Salinger canon....) I can't....
> >
> >It's a silly game, really. But there's no doubt in my mind that Camille
>is
> >either Esme or Phoebe. Sonny is Seymour--'though I'd hardly want to wish
> >that heavy mantle onto such a nice man. We're all wannabe Holdens.
>Where
> >does Scottie fit in?
> >
> >Tigger
>
>Can I be the Catholic mother?
>
>Jean
>
>
> >
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:49:24 -0400 (EDT)
>From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <199908031649.MAA29440@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca>
>
>
> >
> >Can I be the Catholic mother?
> >
> >Jean
> >
> >
>
>
>Bessie's up for grabs, to be sure. But I think, for the rules of the game
>to work right, somebody else has to say that you're "like Buddy" or "very
>similar to Allie C.".... Otherwise, we'd all end up being Zooey, or
>Holden.
>And nobody, but nobody would be Ackley....
>
>I've just realized--to paraphrase Dorothy Parker--that Salinger's
>characters
>run the spectrum from Ackley to Zooey!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Paul
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:43:23 +0530
>From: Sundeep Dougal <holden@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <006201beddd3$f945ed20$4c3a36ca@default>
>
>
>I must protest at this slur on my fair name. First, I am called that
>suicidee (and to think I am past that viable, diable age by at least 3
>years now) and then the epithet "nice" is hurled at me with a finality
>that leaves me gasping under its impact and weight.
>
>I also contest the assertion that we are all "wannabe" Holdens. I submit
>that we all _are_ Holden, to some degree or the other. As for me, since
>almost all the girls and women I know seem to prefer Zooey or Buddy, my
>endeavour has been to strive to be like them (not the girls and women,
>let me add by way of a parenthetical clarification). Not very
>successfully, as they, and ye all, will readily testify. Come to think
>of it, I rather like the idea of being Bessie too, with all those kimono
>pockets and those conversations with Zooey over various cigarettes and
>such.
>
>Somehow Tim and Scottie remind me of them. Tim, I envy you for that
>concert with Bob & Paul. Why, even I would happily let anyone trample
>over my feet (ah, feet!), if they were carrying a similar placard.
>
>Scottie? He is the closest to Holden I can think of -- as irreverent as
>ever, and still managing to remain endearingly lovable, though I can
>just about imagine him bristling at being described thus, twirling those
>moustaches and putting on his most ginormous sneer to refute even the
>remotest possibility of any such rumoured similarity.
>
>And while I am at it, let me also clarify that much as I might miss the
>good old days sometines, it is only in the spirit of those extra country
>singers it allegedly takes to fix a fused light bulb.
>
>Sonny,
>thinking of DENSA and that Groucho remark about memberships to clubs,
>but also nodding enthusiastically at all those fond of REM. "I am not
>over you".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:37:11 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Dylan only?
>Message-ID: <19990803173712.76170.qmail@hotmail.com>
>
>
>
> > BOB DYLAN
> > IS THE ONLY
> > SONGWRITER
> > ALMOST AS GOOD
> > AS LEONARD COHEN
>
> in 1966 a young man by the name of Brian Wilson created an album
>called Pet Sounds. I think he deserves a little praise and worship for his
>abilities in creating a perfect example of Zen in the idea that words are
>too restrictive, at times, to express emotions as well as a beautiful
>album.
> Words are not a few of favorite things.
>
> -Carl
>.
>
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:00:14 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Abra and Zen
>Message-ID: <19990803180014.77037.qmail@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >I learned a long time ago that it´s better to just say things the
> >way that you feel them
>
>
> only if you know what you're going to say before you start to
>talk.
>
> >And for being Zen... I try
>
> When I was around five or six years old I remember waking up
>Saturday mornings so happy all I could do was lie in bed and squirm and
>laugh into my pillow because I was so happy. I was so happy yet I couldn't
>tell anyone how I felt.
> A couple years ago before I really started reading and writing
>I
>used to sit at a piano and play whatever I felt like. I couldn't, and
>still
>can't, read music so I just played my own mutilated melodies.
>
> sometimes we behave in a Zen manner with out knowing it
>
> I don't know. I felt I had to say that
>
>
> -Carl
>
>
>
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Me and my macaroni
>Message-ID: <19990803181859.18150.qmail@hotmail.com>
>
>
> This could go along with a couple of messages, I think.
>
> In school friends of mine, the smarter one at least, read books.
>However I was always sort of disappointed in myself because they had always
>read more than I did. After I had started reading and writing I felt I
>could have more in common with them. I had read To Kill a Mockingbird,
>Catcher in the Rye, Lord of the Flies, and other almost quintessential
>required high school novels, I found my friends any I could not share what
>we both had read. They had no opinions on the books the had read. All
>they
>said was, "Oh yeah. I've read that." They read simply to try to be well
>read. In the time in takes me to read F&Z they've read 3 more books that
>were once considered great works. "Oh yeah. I've read that." These
>people
>are the smartest people I know. Their intellect and mine I would like to
>consider equal. I just think it's placed in different areas and while
>they'll earn $120,000, I'll be at home reading Seymour an introduction for
>the 39th time with Kraft dinner on the stove.
> I think the educational system is somewhat to blame for
>this
>happening but deep down it's the individual.
>
>
> -Car
>
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
>From: jason varsoke <jjv@caesun.msd.ray.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Me and my macaroni
>Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9908031443190.3966-100000@slpkbz.msd.ray.com>
>
> > consider equal. I just think it's placed in different areas and while
> > they'll earn $120,000, I'll be at home reading Seymour an introduction
>for
> > the 39th time with Kraft dinner on the stove.
>
>yeah, I feel kinda sorry for them too.
>
> > I think the educational system is somewhat to blame for
>this
> > happening but deep down it's the individual.
> > -Car
>
>-jason
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:57:20 -0400 (EDT)
>From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <199908031857.OAA17944@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca>
>
>First off, methinks the gentleman doth protest to much:
>
> >
> >I must protest at this slur on my fair name. First, I am called that
> >suicidee
>
>But Sonny, doesn't everybody who cybersurfs their way to your webpage
>confront some sort of heading, right at the top, proclaiming "Sonny: An
>Introduction"? It's an OBVIOUS allusion.... (I previously thought that
>Napoleon was the only person capable of annointing himself--but since the
>hat seems almost to fit in this case, I'd hoped you'd wear it, ESPECIALLY
>since you've past the dangerous age.... I meant it as a compliment,
>honest!)
>
>
> and then the epithet "nice" is hurled at me with a finality
> >that leaves me gasping under its impact and weight.
> >
>
>
>I'm guilty as charged in THIS instance. I can't believe I called you
>"nice".... I can't believe I called ANYbody 'nice'.... You're charming, and
>erudite, and enlightened, and insightful.... You're funny, and articulate,
>and serious, and friendly.... But nice? I'm SO sorry!
>
>(OSR: For the record, on page 1 of TCitR, Holden tells us that his parents
>are
> "nice and all--but they're also touchy as hell"....
>
>
>
> >
> > since
> >almost all the girls and women I know seem to prefer Zooey or Buddy, my
> >endeavour has been to strive to be like them
>
>
>
>To be honest, I've always found Buddy to be a bit of a windbag.... In
>fact,
>I usually try to trim my personal sails whenever I feel my prose
>approaching
>that found in Buddy's breezy--and sometimes boring--paragraphs. He's
>smart,
>but he knows it, and he likes to show that he knows it. Otherwise, he'd be
>Seymour--and this little orb ain't big enough for TWO Seymours.... (Zooey
>is another matter. I'd be happy to be cast as Z. Glass in our class
>play--so long as the fishbowl will allow me to say my initial is ZED... Not
>ZEE!.... He'd say it as ZED to acknowledge his Australian heritage, Right
>Camille?) (....more likely, though, I'll be nominated for the role of Ward
>Stradlater.... Or, given my advanced age, Old Spencer.... You ought to
>take
>Seymour as the compliment it's intended to be....)
>
>
>
> >
> >Scottie? He is the closest to Holden I can think of -- as irreverent as
> >ever, and still managing to remain endearingly lovable
>
>
>
>NOW I think you're on to something. I've never previously tried to imagine
>Holden growing up.... In my mind, he'll always be sixteen.... But it would
>be a wonderful twist on the school of thinking that says the book is
>dictated to a shrink if we learn that Holden grew up, graduated from
>university, went to med school, became an analyst, moved to Dublin, and
>changed his name to Scottie!
>
>Confirm or deny, Mr. Bowperson!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Paul
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:25:15 -0400
>From: Jean Hantman <j.hantman@worldnet.att.net>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Waker ( a bit long)
>Message-ID: <005e01bedde5$ed56f1a0$ded44e0c@JHantman>
>
>
>
> >
> >So....*ahem*...why did Waker join the priesthood?
> >
> >Sorry 'bout the sermonizing,
> >--Mark
>
>Joined the priesthood to separate and escape from a family determinedly
>eccentric.
>
>Jean
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:49:04 +0000
>From: "Byrd, Steven T " <BYRDS@papa.uncp.edu>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Cc: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Dylan only?
>Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.990803154758.47456B-100000@papa.uncp.edu>
>
>
>tom waits tom waits tom waits tom waits tom waits tom waits tom waits
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 21:49:58 +0200
>From: ABRA <abra@post6.tele.dk>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Abra and Zen
>Message-ID: <37A747E6.144F@post6.tele.dk>
>
>Car Land Er Son wrote:
>
>Wow, I got a thread named after me... *S*
>
> > >I learned a long time ago that it´s better to just say things the
> > >way that you feel them
> >
> > only if you know what you're going to say before you start
>to
> > talk.
>
>I totally agree... Which is why, for me at least, it is far easier
>to write than speak your mind...
>
> > A couple years ago before I really started reading and
>writing I
> > used to sit at a piano and play whatever I felt like. I couldn't, and
>still
> > can't, read music so I just played my own mutilated melodies.
>
>I read music, but not just off the sheet... I have to practise a lot,
>and I´m not really that good on either piano or guitar, although I
>can play both enough to satisfy myself (and to make my old bandmates
>know what I wanted them to play...) I´m actually a drummer, so
>rhythm is more my game...
>
>Lots of famous musicians can´t read music - Paul McCartney comes to
>mind - which goes to show that creating is not necessarily something
>you do with your brain...
>
>Some of the best tunes just comes to you out of the blue sky...
>I know that has happened for me several times... You hear some
>line that sounds good, and suddenly the music comes to you...
>
>And speaking of Paul McCartney - I read that he woke up one morning
>with some music and lyrics in his head... He finished the song, it
>was called "Scrambled Eggs"... But something was missing, so he
>worked on it a bit more... Then it turned into "Yesterday"...
>Now THAT is certainly something to dream about...
>
>I wonder if Salinger ever got any ideas in his sleep???
>
>Abra
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:09:03 -0400 (EDT)
>From: AntiUtopia@aol.com
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist?
>Message-ID: <d867e858.24d8a65f@aol.com>
>
>In a message dated 8/2/99 10:41:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net writes:
>
><<
> And then I realize - she's a fictional character. It's not like I can go
> interview her and find all this out. I can only speculate. So, hey,
> pregnancy was one speculation. I'm sure three years from now when I
> reread, I'll come up with something else. And it'll keep happening every
> time I reread it, I suppose.
>
> I'll try not to take it so far next time! :)
>
> Anna >>
>
>Oh, yeah, a good bit of my opinion was based upon what's in Zooey...so if
>you
>only read Franny that may be a different story. I originally read the two
>together as one story, and they weren't originally published that way, I
>don't think.
>
>So I've always been a bit biased :)
>
>Jim
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:15:14 -0400 (EDT)
>From: AntiUtopia@aol.com
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <7ab3fd2d.24d8a7d2@aol.com>
>
>In a message dated 8/3/99 6:24:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca writes:
>
><< Tim, by the way, is Owl. No doubt about it. Camille is Kanga....
>
> (and originals of ALL the above--plus, of course, Pooh--can be seen on
>the
> second floor of the NY Public Library, right across the street from
>MOMA....
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tigger >>
>
>nonono :) Camille is a Glass family member, no doubt about it. A one time
>guest star on Wise Child.
>
>Jim
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:17:48 -0400 (EDT)
>From: AntiUtopia@aol.com
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <81c457c7.24d8a86c@aol.com>
>
>In a message dated 8/3/99 12:30:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>j.hantman@worldnet.att.net writes:
>
><< Can I be the Catholic mother?
>
> Jean >>
>
>Yes, cause you're the only one who wants to be :)
>
>Jim
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:10:03 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Ed Fenning <ed361@yahoo.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: This is my first message
>Message-ID: <19990803221003.25383.rocketmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com>
>
>
>
>--- Carl and er son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've been reading this list and the messages for
> > a couple weeks now and
> > I've finally had the motivation to write about my
> > existence on this list
>
>Carl,
>Welcome to the list from another new person. I enjoyed your posting
>about "mutilated melodies", keep on writin' when you have something you
>want to say. If you like REM and their guitar sound, go check out
>Quicksilver Messenger Service (San Francisco, late '60's). If you
>haven't already, raid your parents' record collection for the Allman
>Brothers and Cream...
>and not to forget Duke Ellington, Miles, Billie Holiday, and Coltrane.
>-Ed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
> > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit
> > http://www.msn.com
> >
>
>_____________________________________________________________
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>Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:28:41 -0400 (EDT)
>From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <199908032228.SAA13400@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca>
>
>I believe, by the way, that The Laughing Man has named himself
>appropriately....
>
>(which is also a compliment, if anybody's worried about that sort of
>thing....)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Paul
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:32:46 -0700
>From: "Cecilia A. Baader" <cbaader@my-Deja.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: So let me see if I've got this one right...
>Message-ID: <FAJFKJFHCDJOFAAA@my-deja.com>
>
>Ah, ne t'inquiete pas, soit content...
>
>The pond is not truly completely empty, it is but a little low. I, of
>course, took a little freedom with the facts, as I am sometimes wont to do.
> After nearly a week in that fair city, where even a small bottle of water
>came at a premium price of $2 from your average street vendor, I noticed
>the lack of it everywhere.
>
>One of my favorite parts of the trip was my meander through Central Park.
>My friends did not understand my need to visit the pond, but they trailed
>after me in good humor. I let them stop to hear the nut who was yelling
>obscenities in Strawberry Fields, so I think that it all evened out.
>
>Regards,
>Cecilia.
>
>(I'm glad you liked my little summary.)
>---
>"Live your life, do your work, then take your hat."
>-Henry David Thoreau
>
>On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:15:43 Tim O'Connor wrote:
> >On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 05:01:48AM -0400, Paul Kennedy wrote:
> >
> >> New York appears to be in the middle of a drought and there's no water
>in
> >> the pond.
> >>
> >> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>
> >> Quel Desastre! We'll send an iceberg down from the Great White North
> >> immediately, to keep all Gothamites cool, and moisten up Manhattan when
>it
> >> melts.... Could you make arrangements, Tim, to have it towed directly
>to
> >> the duck pond in Central Park South?
> >
> >I'll see aboot that, eh? I haven't checked on the pond recently (now
> >that I no longer live adjacent to the park, I don't see it as often),
> >but all icebergs are welcome. In fact, half the boulders in the park,
> >contrived as they are, are the result of glacial activity back when
> >Seymour was a boy. So, Paul, you can not only save the ducks, but you
> >can leave your own mark on Central Park without getting a ticket from
> >our Lord Mayor.
> >
> >BTW, did I say that I laughed mightily when I read the summaries of who
> >did and said what to whom?
> >
> >Boy, did I need a good laugh.
> >
> >--tim
> >
> >
>
>
>--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:54:32 -0400
>From: Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist?
>Message-ID: <37A77328.4CD1EAB8@worldnet.att.net>
>
> > I originally read the two
> > together as one story, and they weren't originally published that way, I
> > don't think.
>
>I read them both together as well at first. In fact, I don't even think
>I realized that they weren't the same story the first time I read them.
>But before rereading, i think I had completely forgotten what goes on in
>Zooey.
>
>I was rereading it at work though (while I should have been working,
>tsk,tsk) and I think I gave myself away a few times. Sometimes I just
>couldn't control the laughter while reading Zooey's conversation with
>his mother.
>
>"You know, I"m the only one in this family who has no problems," Zooey
>said. "And you know why? Because any time I'm feeling blue or puzzled,
>what I do, I just invite a few people to come visit me in the bathroom,
>and -well we iron things out together, that's all." :)
>
>Now, if Bessie could only visit all of our bathrooms!
>
>Anna
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:10:18 -0400 (EDT)
>From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy)
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist?
>Message-ID: <199908032310.TAA16092@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca>
>
>*LOL* ...and CHOKED out loud, for that matter...
>
>(What the FUCK am I doing on some sort of StarWars list?)
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:44:33 +1000
>From: Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <0FFX00N8B0X718@acf3.nyu.edu>
>
>Paul wrote:
> > I'm trying to find a place for Scottie in the canon... (NOT a cannon!
>THE
> > canon, the Salinger canon....) I can't....
> >
> > It's a silly game, really. But there's no doubt in my mind that Camille
>is
> > either Esme or Phoebe. Sonny is Seymour--'though I'd hardly want to
>wish
> > that heavy mantle onto such a nice man. We're all wannabe Holdens.
>Where
> > does Scottie fit in?
>
>Scottie's the agressive bridesmaid with the broad shoulders from `Raise
>High the Roofbeams' (: No! I know - he's the touchy taxi driver that yells
>at Holden for wanting to know where the ducks were (just be glad I didn't
>say Mr Spencer, Holden's history teacher! ). I *like* this game! Therefore
>I'd have to add my 2 cents:
>
>Abra - the adorable deaf-mute man in RHTRBC
>Jim - Zooey (:
>(Interesting - I've always been the list's honourary Esme but I've always
>seen myself as more of a Franny. P.S. no I'm not pregnant!)
>Paul - The Davega bicycle giver whose name I can't remember.
>citycabn - Les Glass (honorary Aussie!)
>
>ah, I'm gonna enjoy working out some more of these!
>
>Yours in pursuit of hunny,
>
>Camille
>verona_beach@geocities.com
>
> > I can't think of a character he resembles in anything of Salinger's I've
> > read. In fact, it's necessary to regress further into my literary past
>to
> > find someone with Scottie'
> > s particular blend of loveable grumblings.... Scottie is Eeyore. Toss
>him
> > some gorse and he'll be happier than Holden anticipating his rendez-vous
> > with Sally at the Biltmore.... He just needs something gritty to chew
>on.
> >
> > Tim, by the way, is Owl. No doubt about it. Camille is Kanga....
> >
> > (and originals of ALL the above--plus, of course, Pooh--can be seen on
>the
> > second floor of the NY Public Library, right across the street from
>MOMA....
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tigger
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>
>Do You Yahoo!?
>
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:47:08 +1000
>From: Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <0FFX00NA00YE18@acf3.nyu.edu>
>
>Paul wrote:
> > I'm trying to find a place for Scottie in the canon... (NOT a cannon!
>THE
> > canon, the Salinger canon....) I can't....
> >
> > It's a silly game, really. But there's no doubt in my mind that Camille
>is
> > either Esme or Phoebe. Sonny is Seymour--'though I'd hardly want to
>wish
> > that heavy mantle onto such a nice man. We're all wannabe Holdens.
>Where
> > does Scottie fit in?
>
>Scottie's the agressive bridesmaid with the broad shoulders from `Raise
>High the Roofbeams' (: No! I know - he's the touchy taxi driver that yells
>at Holden for wanting to know where the ducks were (just be glad I didn't
>say Mr Spencer, Holden's history teacher! ). I *like* this game! Therefore
>I'd have to add my 2 cents:
>
>Abra - the adorable deaf-mute man in RHTRBC
>Jim - Zooey (:
>(Interesting - I've always been the list's honourary Esme but I've always
>seen myself as more of a Franny. P.S. no I'm not pregnant!)
>Paul - The Davega bicycle giver whose name I can't remember.
>citycabn - Les Glass (honorary Aussie!)
>
>Is a certain Uriel Ushas still on this list? I recall he got very agitated
>when I asked him to 'fess up and admit he really *was* Holden Caulfield.
>
>ah, I'm gonna enjoy working out some more of these!
>
>Yours in pursuit of hunny,
>
>Camille
>verona_beach@geocities.com
>
> > I can't think of a character he resembles in anything of Salinger's I've
> > read. In fact, it's necessary to regress further into my literary past
>to
> > find someone with Scottie'
> > s particular blend of loveable grumblings.... Scottie is Eeyore. Toss
>him
> > some gorse and he'll be happier than Holden anticipating his rendez-vous
> > with Sally at the Biltmore.... He just needs something gritty to chew
>on.
> >
> > Tim, by the way, is Owl. No doubt about it. Camille is Kanga....
> >
> > (and originals of ALL the above--plus, of course, Pooh--can be seen on
>the
> > second floor of the NY Public Library, right across the street from
>MOMA....
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tigger
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>
>Do You Yahoo!?
>
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:57:12 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Gardening at Night
>Message-ID: <19990804005713.77938.qmail@hotmail.com>
>
>
> >Listening to `Gardening at Night' by REM ... God what a heavenly song (:
> >
>Camille
>
>
>
> Yes it is. What version are you listening to? Is it the original
>sung-in-falsetto version released in '82 or the more throaty version
>released in '88? Just wondering...nice to know people still listen to
>'Gardening at Night'. Ah early R.E.M. music....a forgotten treasure.
>
> -Carl
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:51:36 +1000
>From: Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <0FFX00NE71DS18@acf3.nyu.edu>
>
>Paul Kennedy wrote:
> > NOW I think you're on to something. I've never previously tried to
>imagine
> > Holden growing up.... In my mind, he'll always be sixteen.... But it
>would
> > be a wonderful twist on the school of thinking that says the book is
> > dictated to a shrink if we learn that Holden grew up, graduated from
> > university, went to med school, became an analyst, moved to Dublin, and
> > changed his name to Scottie!
> >
> > Confirm or deny, Mr. Bowperson!
>
>Oh MY! That's brilliant! You've finally blown his secret identity (and here
>was I naively thinking all along that he was just JD Salinger in disguise
>(: ). You've hit the ol' nail on the head, Paul!
>
>Confirm or deny !!!
>
>Camille
>verona_beach@geocities.com
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>
>Do You Yahoo!?
>
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:55:25 +1000
>From: Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <0FFX00NEA1DV18@acf3.nyu.edu>
>
>Jim wrote:
> > nonono :) Camille is a Glass family member, no doubt about it. A one
>time
> > guest star on Wise Child.
>
>Ah, lovely. I like that (: I propose that during Seymour and Buddy's
>adventures in Australian vaudeville an antipodean Wise Child special was
>recorded and I was invited along being one of Les Glasses' whispered-about
>illegitimate downunder children. Did Seymour hit me? No. He hit a little
>kid down by the pier in some badly dressed seersucker shorts who was
>staring at some orange peel sinking into the sea. `Give 'im one for me,
>Seymour!' I may or may not have proclaimed (:
>
>We can always dream,
>
>Camille
>verona_beach@geocities.com
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>
>Do You Yahoo!?
>
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 21:36:15 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Kidneyboy@aol.com
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Gardening at Night
>Message-ID: <e897316d.24d8f30f@aol.com>
>
>Hail all 80's college rock for it is best music ever written.
>
>
>mathew s.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:06:09 -0400 (EDT)
>From: AntiUtopia@aol.com
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist?
>Message-ID: <19daf3ba.24d8fa11@aol.com>
>
>In a message dated 8/3/99 7:02:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net writes:
>
><< "And you know why? Because any time I'm feeling blue or puzzled,
> what I do, I just invite a few people to come visit me in the bathroom,
> and -well we iron things out together, that's all." :)
>
> Now, if Bessie could only visit all of our bathrooms!
>
> Anna
> >>
>
>yeah...that whole conversation was great :). I mean, even every movement
>described carried about as much meaning as the words between them, if not
>more.
>
>Dangit, ya got me talking about Salinger again :)
>
>Jim
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:08:37 -0400 (EDT)
>From: AntiUtopia@aol.com
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <430a6a6f.24d8faa5@aol.com>
>
>In a message dated 8/3/99 8:59:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>verona_beach@geocities.com writes:
>
><< Jim wrote:
> > nonono :) Camille is a Glass family member, no doubt about it. A one
> time
> > guest star on Wise Child.
>
> Ah, lovely. I like that (: I propose that during Seymour and Buddy's
> adventures in Australian vaudeville an antipodean Wise Child special was
> recorded and I was invited along being one of Les Glasses'
>whispered-about
> illegitimate downunder children. Did Seymour hit me? No. He hit a little
> kid down by the pier in some badly dressed seersucker shorts who was
> staring at some orange peel sinking into the sea. `Give 'im one for me,
> Seymour!' I may or may not have proclaimed (:
>
> We can always dream,
>
> Camille >>
>
>If I'm Zooey, you realize that makes us brother and sister.
>
>Which would actually explain a LOT :)
>
>Jim
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:30:54 -0400
>From: Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist?
>Message-ID: <37A7A5DD.5A56D28E@worldnet.att.net>
>
> > Dangit, ya got me talking about Salinger again :)
>
>And on a SALINGER list???? You should be ashamed of yourself!!!
>
>Anna
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:40:45 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Catherine Marie <tangerineness@hotmail.com>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Me and my macaroni
>Message-ID: <19990804024046.14913.qmail@hotmail.com>
>
>Carl,
>I felt really motivated to respond to your post, but I'm not quite sure
>what
>to say besides that I agree completely. I am also a teenager, I'm
>seventeen.
>It is just so refreshing to hear someone my age who actually cares about
>things that matter. I know people like those you mentioned, I really hate
>people who get A's in english, pretend that they like the books in front of
>the teacher, but talk about how stupid the books are outside of class, and
>just don't care. I am forever concerned when I read. I was the only one in
>my class who really loved F+Z. I am also probably the only one in the
>school
>who reads S:AI "for fun". Besides my truest friend who I am introducing to
>the Glass family. He will turn out like you were saying, ten times more
>intellegent than those others, or at least in the ways that actually
>matter,
>but at home with unused degrees in philosophy on the wall, macaroni on the
>stove, attempting to figure out to what extent he is motivated by human
>instinct. I'm wimping out, I guess. I'm going into architecture, not
>English
>or philosophy, but trust me, if 2007 isn't a good year for architects (and
>in truth architecture is really not a good way to get rich anyways) I will
>be sitting in front of the stove spilling artificial cheese all over my
>more
>tape than paper copy of F+Z.
> Catherine
>
> > In school friends of mine, the smarter one at least, read books.
> >However I was always sort of disappointed in myself because they had
>always
> >read more than I did. After I had started reading and writing I felt I
> >could have more in common with them. I had read To Kill a Mockingbird,
> >Catcher in the Rye, Lord of the Flies, and other almost quintessential
> >required high school novels, I found my friends any I could not share
>what
> >we both had read. They had no opinions on the books the had read. All
> >they
> >said was, "Oh yeah. I've read that." They read simply to try to be well
> >read. In the time in takes me to read F&Z they've read 3 more books that
> >were once considered great works. "Oh yeah. I've read that." These
> >people
> >are the smartest people I know. Their intellect and mine I would like to
> >consider equal. I just think it's placed in different areas and while
> >they'll earn $120,000, I'll be at home reading Seymour an introduction
>for
> >the 39th time with Kraft dinner on the stove.
> > I think the educational system is somewhat to blame for
>this
> >happening but deep down it's the individual.
> >
> >
> > -Car
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________________________
> >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:41:30 -0400
>From: Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net>
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: Me and my macaroni
>Message-ID: <37A7A85A.FABA0F26@worldnet.att.net>
>
> > unused degrees in philosophy on the wall, macaroni on the
> > stove,
>
>So that's what I have to look forward to with my philosophy degree? Good
>thing I"m majoring in biology too... although, since I'm not doing med
>school, I don't know what I'm going to do with bio anyway.
>Oh well, it's a good thing I like Mac and Cheese. Oh and when that gets
>too expensive, there's always Ramen...
>
>Anna
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:12:05 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Mike42082@aol.com
>To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu
>Subject: Re: letter to list
>Message-ID: <c0676a14.24d90985@aol.com>
>
>
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