>From: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >To: "Discussions of J.D. Salinger's work" <bananafish@lists.nyu.edu> >Subject: BANANAFISH digest 765 >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 04:00:49 -0400 (EDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-bananafish@lists.nyu.edu Wed Aug 04 01:02:12 1999 >Received: from [128.122.253.151] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >MHotMailB9713E7D0132D82197CF807AFD97064A0; Wed Aug 04 01:02:12 1999 >Received: from localhost (server@LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by acf3.nyu.edu >(PMDF V5.2-32 #33919) with SMTP id <0FFX003EOKXDFO@acf3.nyu.edu>; Wed, 4 >Aug 1999 04:00:54 -0400 (EDT) >Sender: owner-bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Message-id: <0FFX003EPKXDFO@acf3.nyu.edu> >Precedence: bulk >X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN > > BANANAFISH Digest 765 > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: same name (call for help included) > by Laughing Man <the_laughing_man@hotmail.com> > 2) Re: So let me see if I've got this one right... > by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) > 3) Re: Star Wars Racist? > by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) > 4) Re: This is my first message > by Laughing Man <the_laughing_man@hotmail.com> > 5) letter to list > by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) > 6) Re: same name (call for help included) > by Squeila@aol.com > 7) Re: So let me see if I've got this one right... > by Tim O'Connor <oconnort@nyu.edu> > 8) Re: letter to list > by Jean Hantman <j.hantman@worldnet.att.net> > 9) Re: letter to list > by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) > 10) Re: letter to list > by Sundeep Dougal <holden@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in> > 11) Dylan only? > by Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com> > 12) Abra and Zen > by Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com> > 13) Me and my macaroni > by Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com> > 14) Re: Me and my macaroni > by jason varsoke <jjv@caesun.msd.ray.com> > 15) Re: letter to list > by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) > 16) Re: Waker ( a bit long) > by Jean Hantman <j.hantman@worldnet.att.net> > 17) Re: Dylan only? > by "Byrd, Steven T " <BYRDS@papa.uncp.edu> > 18) Re: Abra and Zen > by ABRA <abra@post6.tele.dk> > 19) Re: Star Wars Racist? > by AntiUtopia@aol.com > 20) Re: letter to list > by AntiUtopia@aol.com > 21) Re: letter to list > by AntiUtopia@aol.com > 22) Re: This is my first message > by Ed Fenning <ed361@yahoo.com> > 23) Re: letter to list > by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) > 24) Re: So let me see if I've got this one right... > by "Cecilia A. Baader" <cbaader@my-Deja.com> > 25) Re: Star Wars Racist? > by Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net> > 26) Re: Star Wars Racist? > by kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) > 27) Re: letter to list > by Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com> > 28) Re: letter to list > by Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com> > 29) Gardening at Night > by Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com> > 30) Re: letter to list > by Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com> > 31) Re: letter to list > by Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com> > 32) Re: Gardening at Night > by Kidneyboy@aol.com > 33) Re: Star Wars Racist? > by AntiUtopia@aol.com > 34) Re: letter to list > by AntiUtopia@aol.com > 35) Re: Star Wars Racist? > by Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net> > 36) Re: Me and my macaroni > by Catherine Marie <tangerineness@hotmail.com> > 37) Re: Me and my macaroni > by Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net> > 38) Re: letter to list > by Mike42082@aol.com > 39) Re: Me and my macaroni > by "rev. bob pigeon" <sid-vicious@mindspring.com> > 40) identity revealed > by Scottie Bowman <rbowman@indigo.ie> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT) >From: Laughing Man <the_laughing_man@hotmail.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: same name (call for help included) >Message-ID: <19990803085752.14947.qmail@hotmail.com> > >Is there any way of getting hold of this book? I'm waiting for "Hapworth >16, >1924", but some of you seem to have read this and other (like 'complete >uncollected...') bootleg (?) copies of JDS' less famous work. Why is only >Laughing Man kept in the dark? > >/Your Humble Servant >TLM, >in need of HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP > > > >From: Squeila@aol.com > >Reply-To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu > >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu > >Subject: same name > >Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:34:26 -0400 (EDT) > > > >I just finished reading some stories in The Complete Uncollected... > >including Slight Rebellion Off Madison and ...No Waist At All, and I > >noticed > >that the couple that Ray and Barbara meet in Waist have the last name as > >Sally in Rebellion (and Catcher?). Is it common thought that these >people > >are meant to be related? > > > >Leila > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 05:01:48 -0400 (EDT) >From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: So let me see if I've got this one right... >Message-ID: <199908030901.FAA16350@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca> > > New York appears to be in the middle of a drought and there's no water in >the pond. > >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Quel Desastre! We'll send an iceberg down from the Great White North >immediately, to keep all Gothamites cool, and moisten up Manhattan when it >melts.... Could you make arrangements, Tim, to have it towed directly to >the duck pond in Central Park South? > >Welcome back, Cecilia... > >Cheers, > >Paul > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 05:03:35 -0400 (EDT) >From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist? >Message-ID: <199908030903.FAA16406@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca> > >My daughter's pregnant?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 02:57:27 -0700 (PDT) >From: Laughing Man <the_laughing_man@hotmail.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: This is my first message >Message-ID: <19990803095728.75561.qmail@hotmail.com> > >Welcome Carl! I know what you mean about the “why bother”-thoughts. Often >before you get real into something, it doesn’t make as much sense as when >you are in the middle of it. Perspectives are funny things. Like Camille (I >think it was), I agree that almost no blabber is blabber enough, once you >get started. So join in the fun. > >I for one think it is splendid to listen to conversations from ppl I don’t >know. I haven’t met many 16-year olds since I was a teenager myself some >hundred of years ago, with whom I in real life would discuss literature on >equal terms. The situations just aren’t there. I worked extra as a high >school teacher during my university studies, and met many bright students, >but to call the discussions we had there “on equal terms” would be >stretching it. On forum like this, of course the words of some of the >bulk-posters have a somewhat heavier impact than yours or mine. But write >interesting stuff, and what you write counts as it stands. No more and no >less. That is the beauty of it. > >Again, welcome. I am sure you can hold quite intelligent conversation, so >conversate away! > >/TLM > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 06:23:00 -0400 (EDT) >From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: letter to list >Message-ID: <199908031023.GAA18676@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca> > >I'm trying to find a place for Scottie in the canon... (NOT a cannon! THE >canon, the Salinger canon....) I can't.... > >It's a silly game, really. But there's no doubt in my mind that Camille is >either Esme or Phoebe. Sonny is Seymour--'though I'd hardly want to wish >that heavy mantle onto such a nice man. We're all wannabe Holdens. Where >does Scottie fit in? > >I can't think of a character he resembles in anything of Salinger's I've >read. In fact, it's necessary to regress further into my literary past to >find someone with Scottie' >s particular blend of loveable grumblings.... Scottie is Eeyore. Toss him >some gorse and he'll be happier than Holden anticipating his rendez-vous >with Sally at the Biltmore.... He just needs something gritty to chew on. > >Tim, by the way, is Owl. No doubt about it. Camille is Kanga.... > >(and originals of ALL the above--plus, of course, Pooh--can be seen on the >second floor of the NY Public Library, right across the street from >MOMA.... > >Regards, > >Tigger > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:08:46 -0400 (EDT) >From: Squeila@aol.com >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: same name (call for help included) >Message-ID: <c710380b.24d843de@aol.com> > >In a message dated 99-08-03 04:59:54 EDT, you write: > ><< Is there any way of getting hold of this book? I'm waiting for "Hapworth >16, > 1924", but some of you seem to have read this and other (like 'complete > uncollected...') bootleg (?) copies of JDS' less famous work. Why is only > Laughing Man kept in the dark? > > /Your Humble Servant > TLM, > in need of HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP > >> > >where do you live? > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:15:43 -0400 >From: Tim O'Connor <oconnort@nyu.edu> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: So let me see if I've got this one right... >Message-ID: <19990803091543.A26324@anthrax.acf.nyu.edu> > >On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 05:01:48AM -0400, Paul Kennedy wrote: > > > New York appears to be in the middle of a drought and there's no water >in > > the pond. > > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Quel Desastre! We'll send an iceberg down from the Great White North > > immediately, to keep all Gothamites cool, and moisten up Manhattan when >it > > melts.... Could you make arrangements, Tim, to have it towed directly >to > > the duck pond in Central Park South? > >I'll see aboot that, eh? I haven't checked on the pond recently (now >that I no longer live adjacent to the park, I don't see it as often), >but all icebergs are welcome. In fact, half the boulders in the park, >contrived as they are, are the result of glacial activity back when >Seymour was a boy. So, Paul, you can not only save the ducks, but you >can leave your own mark on Central Park without getting a ticket from >our Lord Mayor. > >BTW, did I say that I laughed mightily when I read the summaries of who >did and said what to whom? > >Boy, did I need a good laugh. > >--tim > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:25:13 -0400 >From: Jean Hantman <j.hantman@worldnet.att.net> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <000e01beddcc$c5c76ac0$ded44e0c@JHantman> > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Kennedy <kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu <bananafish@lists.nyu.edu> >Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 6:23 AM >Subject: letter to list > > > >I'm trying to find a place for Scottie in the canon... (NOT a cannon! >THE > >canon, the Salinger canon....) I can't.... > > > >It's a silly game, really. But there's no doubt in my mind that Camille >is > >either Esme or Phoebe. Sonny is Seymour--'though I'd hardly want to wish > >that heavy mantle onto such a nice man. We're all wannabe Holdens. >Where > >does Scottie fit in? > > > >Tigger > >Can I be the Catholic mother? > >Jean > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:49:24 -0400 (EDT) >From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <199908031649.MAA29440@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca> > > > > > >Can I be the Catholic mother? > > > >Jean > > > > > > >Bessie's up for grabs, to be sure. But I think, for the rules of the game >to work right, somebody else has to say that you're "like Buddy" or "very >similar to Allie C.".... Otherwise, we'd all end up being Zooey, or >Holden. >And nobody, but nobody would be Ackley.... > >I've just realized--to paraphrase Dorothy Parker--that Salinger's >characters >run the spectrum from Ackley to Zooey! > >Cheers, > >Paul > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:43:23 +0530 >From: Sundeep Dougal <holden@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <006201beddd3$f945ed20$4c3a36ca@default> > > >I must protest at this slur on my fair name. First, I am called that >suicidee (and to think I am past that viable, diable age by at least 3 >years now) and then the epithet "nice" is hurled at me with a finality >that leaves me gasping under its impact and weight. > >I also contest the assertion that we are all "wannabe" Holdens. I submit >that we all _are_ Holden, to some degree or the other. As for me, since >almost all the girls and women I know seem to prefer Zooey or Buddy, my >endeavour has been to strive to be like them (not the girls and women, >let me add by way of a parenthetical clarification). Not very >successfully, as they, and ye all, will readily testify. Come to think >of it, I rather like the idea of being Bessie too, with all those kimono >pockets and those conversations with Zooey over various cigarettes and >such. > >Somehow Tim and Scottie remind me of them. Tim, I envy you for that >concert with Bob & Paul. Why, even I would happily let anyone trample >over my feet (ah, feet!), if they were carrying a similar placard. > >Scottie? He is the closest to Holden I can think of -- as irreverent as >ever, and still managing to remain endearingly lovable, though I can >just about imagine him bristling at being described thus, twirling those >moustaches and putting on his most ginormous sneer to refute even the >remotest possibility of any such rumoured similarity. > >And while I am at it, let me also clarify that much as I might miss the >good old days sometines, it is only in the spirit of those extra country >singers it allegedly takes to fix a fused light bulb. > >Sonny, >thinking of DENSA and that Groucho remark about memberships to clubs, >but also nodding enthusiastically at all those fond of REM. "I am not >over you". > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:37:11 -0400 (EDT) >From: Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Dylan only? >Message-ID: <19990803173712.76170.qmail@hotmail.com> > > > > > BOB DYLAN > > IS THE ONLY > > SONGWRITER > > ALMOST AS GOOD > > AS LEONARD COHEN > > in 1966 a young man by the name of Brian Wilson created an album >called Pet Sounds. I think he deserves a little praise and worship for his >abilities in creating a perfect example of Zen in the idea that words are >too restrictive, at times, to express emotions as well as a beautiful >album. > Words are not a few of favorite things. > > -Carl >. > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:00:14 -0400 (EDT) >From: Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Abra and Zen >Message-ID: <19990803180014.77037.qmail@hotmail.com> > > > >I learned a long time ago that it´s better to just say things the > >way that you feel them > > > only if you know what you're going to say before you start to >talk. > > >And for being Zen... I try > > When I was around five or six years old I remember waking up >Saturday mornings so happy all I could do was lie in bed and squirm and >laugh into my pillow because I was so happy. I was so happy yet I couldn't >tell anyone how I felt. > A couple years ago before I really started reading and writing >I >used to sit at a piano and play whatever I felt like. I couldn't, and >still >can't, read music so I just played my own mutilated melodies. > > sometimes we behave in a Zen manner with out knowing it > > I don't know. I felt I had to say that > > > -Carl > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:18:58 -0400 (EDT) >From: Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Me and my macaroni >Message-ID: <19990803181859.18150.qmail@hotmail.com> > > > This could go along with a couple of messages, I think. > > In school friends of mine, the smarter one at least, read books. >However I was always sort of disappointed in myself because they had always >read more than I did. After I had started reading and writing I felt I >could have more in common with them. I had read To Kill a Mockingbird, >Catcher in the Rye, Lord of the Flies, and other almost quintessential >required high school novels, I found my friends any I could not share what >we both had read. They had no opinions on the books the had read. All >they >said was, "Oh yeah. I've read that." They read simply to try to be well >read. In the time in takes me to read F&Z they've read 3 more books that >were once considered great works. "Oh yeah. I've read that." These >people >are the smartest people I know. Their intellect and mine I would like to >consider equal. I just think it's placed in different areas and while >they'll earn $120,000, I'll be at home reading Seymour an introduction for >the 39th time with Kraft dinner on the stove. > I think the educational system is somewhat to blame for >this >happening but deep down it's the individual. > > > -Car > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:44:25 -0400 (EDT) >From: jason varsoke <jjv@caesun.msd.ray.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Me and my macaroni >Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9908031443190.3966-100000@slpkbz.msd.ray.com> > > > consider equal. I just think it's placed in different areas and while > > they'll earn $120,000, I'll be at home reading Seymour an introduction >for > > the 39th time with Kraft dinner on the stove. > >yeah, I feel kinda sorry for them too. > > > I think the educational system is somewhat to blame for >this > > happening but deep down it's the individual. > > -Car > >-jason > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:57:20 -0400 (EDT) >From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <199908031857.OAA17944@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca> > >First off, methinks the gentleman doth protest to much: > > > > >I must protest at this slur on my fair name. First, I am called that > >suicidee > >But Sonny, doesn't everybody who cybersurfs their way to your webpage >confront some sort of heading, right at the top, proclaiming "Sonny: An >Introduction"? It's an OBVIOUS allusion.... (I previously thought that >Napoleon was the only person capable of annointing himself--but since the >hat seems almost to fit in this case, I'd hoped you'd wear it, ESPECIALLY >since you've past the dangerous age.... I meant it as a compliment, >honest!) > > > and then the epithet "nice" is hurled at me with a finality > >that leaves me gasping under its impact and weight. > > > > >I'm guilty as charged in THIS instance. I can't believe I called you >"nice".... I can't believe I called ANYbody 'nice'.... You're charming, and >erudite, and enlightened, and insightful.... You're funny, and articulate, >and serious, and friendly.... But nice? I'm SO sorry! > >(OSR: For the record, on page 1 of TCitR, Holden tells us that his parents >are > "nice and all--but they're also touchy as hell".... > > > > > > > since > >almost all the girls and women I know seem to prefer Zooey or Buddy, my > >endeavour has been to strive to be like them > > > >To be honest, I've always found Buddy to be a bit of a windbag.... In >fact, >I usually try to trim my personal sails whenever I feel my prose >approaching >that found in Buddy's breezy--and sometimes boring--paragraphs. He's >smart, >but he knows it, and he likes to show that he knows it. Otherwise, he'd be >Seymour--and this little orb ain't big enough for TWO Seymours.... (Zooey >is another matter. I'd be happy to be cast as Z. Glass in our class >play--so long as the fishbowl will allow me to say my initial is ZED... Not >ZEE!.... He'd say it as ZED to acknowledge his Australian heritage, Right >Camille?) (....more likely, though, I'll be nominated for the role of Ward >Stradlater.... Or, given my advanced age, Old Spencer.... You ought to >take >Seymour as the compliment it's intended to be....) > > > > > > >Scottie? He is the closest to Holden I can think of -- as irreverent as > >ever, and still managing to remain endearingly lovable > > > >NOW I think you're on to something. I've never previously tried to imagine >Holden growing up.... In my mind, he'll always be sixteen.... But it would >be a wonderful twist on the school of thinking that says the book is >dictated to a shrink if we learn that Holden grew up, graduated from >university, went to med school, became an analyst, moved to Dublin, and >changed his name to Scottie! > >Confirm or deny, Mr. Bowperson! > >Cheers, > >Paul > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:25:15 -0400 >From: Jean Hantman <j.hantman@worldnet.att.net> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Waker ( a bit long) >Message-ID: <005e01bedde5$ed56f1a0$ded44e0c@JHantman> > > > > > > >So....*ahem*...why did Waker join the priesthood? > > > >Sorry 'bout the sermonizing, > >--Mark > >Joined the priesthood to separate and escape from a family determinedly >eccentric. > >Jean > > >_____________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:49:04 +0000 >From: "Byrd, Steven T " <BYRDS@papa.uncp.edu> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Cc: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Dylan only? >Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.990803154758.47456B-100000@papa.uncp.edu> > > >tom waits tom waits tom waits tom waits tom waits tom waits tom waits > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 21:49:58 +0200 >From: ABRA <abra@post6.tele.dk> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Abra and Zen >Message-ID: <37A747E6.144F@post6.tele.dk> > >Car Land Er Son wrote: > >Wow, I got a thread named after me... *S* > > > >I learned a long time ago that it´s better to just say things the > > >way that you feel them > > > > only if you know what you're going to say before you start >to > > talk. > >I totally agree... Which is why, for me at least, it is far easier >to write than speak your mind... > > > A couple years ago before I really started reading and >writing I > > used to sit at a piano and play whatever I felt like. I couldn't, and >still > > can't, read music so I just played my own mutilated melodies. > >I read music, but not just off the sheet... I have to practise a lot, >and I´m not really that good on either piano or guitar, although I >can play both enough to satisfy myself (and to make my old bandmates >know what I wanted them to play...) I´m actually a drummer, so >rhythm is more my game... > >Lots of famous musicians can´t read music - Paul McCartney comes to >mind - which goes to show that creating is not necessarily something >you do with your brain... > >Some of the best tunes just comes to you out of the blue sky... >I know that has happened for me several times... You hear some >line that sounds good, and suddenly the music comes to you... > >And speaking of Paul McCartney - I read that he woke up one morning >with some music and lyrics in his head... He finished the song, it >was called "Scrambled Eggs"... But something was missing, so he >worked on it a bit more... Then it turned into "Yesterday"... >Now THAT is certainly something to dream about... > >I wonder if Salinger ever got any ideas in his sleep??? > >Abra > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:09:03 -0400 (EDT) >From: AntiUtopia@aol.com >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist? >Message-ID: <d867e858.24d8a65f@aol.com> > >In a message dated 8/2/99 10:41:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< > And then I realize - she's a fictional character. It's not like I can go > interview her and find all this out. I can only speculate. So, hey, > pregnancy was one speculation. I'm sure three years from now when I > reread, I'll come up with something else. And it'll keep happening every > time I reread it, I suppose. > > I'll try not to take it so far next time! :) > > Anna >> > >Oh, yeah, a good bit of my opinion was based upon what's in Zooey...so if >you >only read Franny that may be a different story. I originally read the two >together as one story, and they weren't originally published that way, I >don't think. > >So I've always been a bit biased :) > >Jim > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:15:14 -0400 (EDT) >From: AntiUtopia@aol.com >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <7ab3fd2d.24d8a7d2@aol.com> > >In a message dated 8/3/99 6:24:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca writes: > ><< Tim, by the way, is Owl. No doubt about it. Camille is Kanga.... > > (and originals of ALL the above--plus, of course, Pooh--can be seen on >the > second floor of the NY Public Library, right across the street from >MOMA.... > > > Regards, > > Tigger >> > >nonono :) Camille is a Glass family member, no doubt about it. A one time >guest star on Wise Child. > >Jim > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:17:48 -0400 (EDT) >From: AntiUtopia@aol.com >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <81c457c7.24d8a86c@aol.com> > >In a message dated 8/3/99 12:30:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >j.hantman@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< Can I be the Catholic mother? > > Jean >> > >Yes, cause you're the only one who wants to be :) > >Jim > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:10:03 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ed Fenning <ed361@yahoo.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: This is my first message >Message-ID: <19990803221003.25383.rocketmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> > > > >--- Carl and er son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > I've been reading this list and the messages for > > a couple weeks now and > > I've finally had the motivation to write about my > > existence on this list > >Carl, >Welcome to the list from another new person. I enjoyed your posting >about "mutilated melodies", keep on writin' when you have something you >want to say. If you like REM and their guitar sound, go check out >Quicksilver Messenger Service (San Francisco, late '60's). If you >haven't already, raid your parents' record collection for the Allman >Brothers and Cream... >and not to forget Duke Ellington, Miles, Billie Holiday, and Coltrane. >-Ed > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit > > http://www.msn.com > > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:28:41 -0400 (EDT) >From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <199908032228.SAA13400@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca> > >I believe, by the way, that The Laughing Man has named himself >appropriately.... > >(which is also a compliment, if anybody's worried about that sort of >thing....) > >Cheers, > >Paul > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:32:46 -0700 >From: "Cecilia A. Baader" <cbaader@my-Deja.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: So let me see if I've got this one right... >Message-ID: <FAJFKJFHCDJOFAAA@my-deja.com> > >Ah, ne t'inquiete pas, soit content... > >The pond is not truly completely empty, it is but a little low. I, of >course, took a little freedom with the facts, as I am sometimes wont to do. > After nearly a week in that fair city, where even a small bottle of water >came at a premium price of $2 from your average street vendor, I noticed >the lack of it everywhere. > >One of my favorite parts of the trip was my meander through Central Park. >My friends did not understand my need to visit the pond, but they trailed >after me in good humor. I let them stop to hear the nut who was yelling >obscenities in Strawberry Fields, so I think that it all evened out. > >Regards, >Cecilia. > >(I'm glad you liked my little summary.) >--- >"Live your life, do your work, then take your hat." >-Henry David Thoreau > >On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:15:43 Tim O'Connor wrote: > >On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 05:01:48AM -0400, Paul Kennedy wrote: > > > >> New York appears to be in the middle of a drought and there's no water >in > >> the pond. > >> > >> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> > >> Quel Desastre! We'll send an iceberg down from the Great White North > >> immediately, to keep all Gothamites cool, and moisten up Manhattan when >it > >> melts.... Could you make arrangements, Tim, to have it towed directly >to > >> the duck pond in Central Park South? > > > >I'll see aboot that, eh? I haven't checked on the pond recently (now > >that I no longer live adjacent to the park, I don't see it as often), > >but all icebergs are welcome. In fact, half the boulders in the park, > >contrived as they are, are the result of glacial activity back when > >Seymour was a boy. So, Paul, you can not only save the ducks, but you > >can leave your own mark on Central Park without getting a ticket from > >our Lord Mayor. > > > >BTW, did I say that I laughed mightily when I read the summaries of who > >did and said what to whom? > > > >Boy, did I need a good laugh. > > > >--tim > > > > > > >--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:54:32 -0400 >From: Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist? >Message-ID: <37A77328.4CD1EAB8@worldnet.att.net> > > > I originally read the two > > together as one story, and they weren't originally published that way, I > > don't think. > >I read them both together as well at first. In fact, I don't even think >I realized that they weren't the same story the first time I read them. >But before rereading, i think I had completely forgotten what goes on in >Zooey. > >I was rereading it at work though (while I should have been working, >tsk,tsk) and I think I gave myself away a few times. Sometimes I just >couldn't control the laughter while reading Zooey's conversation with >his mother. > >"You know, I"m the only one in this family who has no problems," Zooey >said. "And you know why? Because any time I'm feeling blue or puzzled, >what I do, I just invite a few people to come visit me in the bathroom, >and -well we iron things out together, that's all." :) > >Now, if Bessie could only visit all of our bathrooms! > >Anna > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:10:18 -0400 (EDT) >From: kennedyp@toronto.cbc.ca (Paul Kennedy) >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist? >Message-ID: <199908032310.TAA16092@ndcx.tor.cbc.ca> > >*LOL* ...and CHOKED out loud, for that matter... > >(What the FUCK am I doing on some sort of StarWars list?) > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:44:33 +1000 >From: Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <0FFX00N8B0X718@acf3.nyu.edu> > >Paul wrote: > > I'm trying to find a place for Scottie in the canon... (NOT a cannon! >THE > > canon, the Salinger canon....) I can't.... > > > > It's a silly game, really. But there's no doubt in my mind that Camille >is > > either Esme or Phoebe. Sonny is Seymour--'though I'd hardly want to >wish > > that heavy mantle onto such a nice man. We're all wannabe Holdens. >Where > > does Scottie fit in? > >Scottie's the agressive bridesmaid with the broad shoulders from `Raise >High the Roofbeams' (: No! I know - he's the touchy taxi driver that yells >at Holden for wanting to know where the ducks were (just be glad I didn't >say Mr Spencer, Holden's history teacher! ). I *like* this game! Therefore >I'd have to add my 2 cents: > >Abra - the adorable deaf-mute man in RHTRBC >Jim - Zooey (: >(Interesting - I've always been the list's honourary Esme but I've always >seen myself as more of a Franny. P.S. no I'm not pregnant!) >Paul - The Davega bicycle giver whose name I can't remember. >citycabn - Les Glass (honorary Aussie!) > >ah, I'm gonna enjoy working out some more of these! > >Yours in pursuit of hunny, > >Camille >verona_beach@geocities.com > > > I can't think of a character he resembles in anything of Salinger's I've > > read. In fact, it's necessary to regress further into my literary past >to > > find someone with Scottie' > > s particular blend of loveable grumblings.... Scottie is Eeyore. Toss >him > > some gorse and he'll be happier than Holden anticipating his rendez-vous > > with Sally at the Biltmore.... He just needs something gritty to chew >on. > > > > Tim, by the way, is Owl. No doubt about it. Camille is Kanga.... > > > > (and originals of ALL the above--plus, of course, Pooh--can be seen on >the > > second floor of the NY Public Library, right across the street from >MOMA.... > > > > Regards, > > > > Tigger > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:47:08 +1000 >From: Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <0FFX00NA00YE18@acf3.nyu.edu> > >Paul wrote: > > I'm trying to find a place for Scottie in the canon... (NOT a cannon! >THE > > canon, the Salinger canon....) I can't.... > > > > It's a silly game, really. But there's no doubt in my mind that Camille >is > > either Esme or Phoebe. Sonny is Seymour--'though I'd hardly want to >wish > > that heavy mantle onto such a nice man. We're all wannabe Holdens. >Where > > does Scottie fit in? > >Scottie's the agressive bridesmaid with the broad shoulders from `Raise >High the Roofbeams' (: No! I know - he's the touchy taxi driver that yells >at Holden for wanting to know where the ducks were (just be glad I didn't >say Mr Spencer, Holden's history teacher! ). I *like* this game! Therefore >I'd have to add my 2 cents: > >Abra - the adorable deaf-mute man in RHTRBC >Jim - Zooey (: >(Interesting - I've always been the list's honourary Esme but I've always >seen myself as more of a Franny. P.S. no I'm not pregnant!) >Paul - The Davega bicycle giver whose name I can't remember. >citycabn - Les Glass (honorary Aussie!) > >Is a certain Uriel Ushas still on this list? I recall he got very agitated >when I asked him to 'fess up and admit he really *was* Holden Caulfield. > >ah, I'm gonna enjoy working out some more of these! > >Yours in pursuit of hunny, > >Camille >verona_beach@geocities.com > > > I can't think of a character he resembles in anything of Salinger's I've > > read. In fact, it's necessary to regress further into my literary past >to > > find someone with Scottie' > > s particular blend of loveable grumblings.... Scottie is Eeyore. Toss >him > > some gorse and he'll be happier than Holden anticipating his rendez-vous > > with Sally at the Biltmore.... He just needs something gritty to chew >on. > > > > Tim, by the way, is Owl. No doubt about it. Camille is Kanga.... > > > > (and originals of ALL the above--plus, of course, Pooh--can be seen on >the > > second floor of the NY Public Library, right across the street from >MOMA.... > > > > Regards, > > > > Tigger > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:57:12 -0400 (EDT) >From: Car Land Er Son <lost_hopes@hotmail.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Gardening at Night >Message-ID: <19990804005713.77938.qmail@hotmail.com> > > > >Listening to `Gardening at Night' by REM ... God what a heavenly song (: > > >Camille > > > > Yes it is. What version are you listening to? Is it the original >sung-in-falsetto version released in '82 or the more throaty version >released in '88? Just wondering...nice to know people still listen to >'Gardening at Night'. Ah early R.E.M. music....a forgotten treasure. > > -Carl > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:51:36 +1000 >From: Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <0FFX00NE71DS18@acf3.nyu.edu> > >Paul Kennedy wrote: > > NOW I think you're on to something. I've never previously tried to >imagine > > Holden growing up.... In my mind, he'll always be sixteen.... But it >would > > be a wonderful twist on the school of thinking that says the book is > > dictated to a shrink if we learn that Holden grew up, graduated from > > university, went to med school, became an analyst, moved to Dublin, and > > changed his name to Scottie! > > > > Confirm or deny, Mr. Bowperson! > >Oh MY! That's brilliant! You've finally blown his secret identity (and here >was I naively thinking all along that he was just JD Salinger in disguise >(: ). You've hit the ol' nail on the head, Paul! > >Confirm or deny !!! > >Camille >verona_beach@geocities.com > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:55:25 +1000 >From: Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <0FFX00NEA1DV18@acf3.nyu.edu> > >Jim wrote: > > nonono :) Camille is a Glass family member, no doubt about it. A one >time > > guest star on Wise Child. > >Ah, lovely. I like that (: I propose that during Seymour and Buddy's >adventures in Australian vaudeville an antipodean Wise Child special was >recorded and I was invited along being one of Les Glasses' whispered-about >illegitimate downunder children. Did Seymour hit me? No. He hit a little >kid down by the pier in some badly dressed seersucker shorts who was >staring at some orange peel sinking into the sea. `Give 'im one for me, >Seymour!' I may or may not have proclaimed (: > >We can always dream, > >Camille >verona_beach@geocities.com > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 21:36:15 -0400 (EDT) >From: Kidneyboy@aol.com >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Gardening at Night >Message-ID: <e897316d.24d8f30f@aol.com> > >Hail all 80's college rock for it is best music ever written. > > >mathew s. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:06:09 -0400 (EDT) >From: AntiUtopia@aol.com >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist? >Message-ID: <19daf3ba.24d8fa11@aol.com> > >In a message dated 8/3/99 7:02:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net writes: > ><< "And you know why? Because any time I'm feeling blue or puzzled, > what I do, I just invite a few people to come visit me in the bathroom, > and -well we iron things out together, that's all." :) > > Now, if Bessie could only visit all of our bathrooms! > > Anna > >> > >yeah...that whole conversation was great :). I mean, even every movement >described carried about as much meaning as the words between them, if not >more. > >Dangit, ya got me talking about Salinger again :) > >Jim > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:08:37 -0400 (EDT) >From: AntiUtopia@aol.com >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <430a6a6f.24d8faa5@aol.com> > >In a message dated 8/3/99 8:59:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >verona_beach@geocities.com writes: > ><< Jim wrote: > > nonono :) Camille is a Glass family member, no doubt about it. A one > time > > guest star on Wise Child. > > Ah, lovely. I like that (: I propose that during Seymour and Buddy's > adventures in Australian vaudeville an antipodean Wise Child special was > recorded and I was invited along being one of Les Glasses' >whispered-about > illegitimate downunder children. Did Seymour hit me? No. He hit a little > kid down by the pier in some badly dressed seersucker shorts who was > staring at some orange peel sinking into the sea. `Give 'im one for me, > Seymour!' I may or may not have proclaimed (: > > We can always dream, > > Camille >> > >If I'm Zooey, you realize that makes us brother and sister. > >Which would actually explain a LOT :) > >Jim > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:30:54 -0400 >From: Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Star Wars Racist? >Message-ID: <37A7A5DD.5A56D28E@worldnet.att.net> > > > Dangit, ya got me talking about Salinger again :) > >And on a SALINGER list???? You should be ashamed of yourself!!! > >Anna > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:40:45 -0700 (PDT) >From: Catherine Marie <tangerineness@hotmail.com> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Me and my macaroni >Message-ID: <19990804024046.14913.qmail@hotmail.com> > >Carl, >I felt really motivated to respond to your post, but I'm not quite sure >what >to say besides that I agree completely. I am also a teenager, I'm >seventeen. >It is just so refreshing to hear someone my age who actually cares about >things that matter. I know people like those you mentioned, I really hate >people who get A's in english, pretend that they like the books in front of >the teacher, but talk about how stupid the books are outside of class, and >just don't care. I am forever concerned when I read. I was the only one in >my class who really loved F+Z. I am also probably the only one in the >school >who reads S:AI "for fun". Besides my truest friend who I am introducing to >the Glass family. He will turn out like you were saying, ten times more >intellegent than those others, or at least in the ways that actually >matter, >but at home with unused degrees in philosophy on the wall, macaroni on the >stove, attempting to figure out to what extent he is motivated by human >instinct. I'm wimping out, I guess. I'm going into architecture, not >English >or philosophy, but trust me, if 2007 isn't a good year for architects (and >in truth architecture is really not a good way to get rich anyways) I will >be sitting in front of the stove spilling artificial cheese all over my >more >tape than paper copy of F+Z. > Catherine > > > In school friends of mine, the smarter one at least, read books. > >However I was always sort of disappointed in myself because they had >always > >read more than I did. After I had started reading and writing I felt I > >could have more in common with them. I had read To Kill a Mockingbird, > >Catcher in the Rye, Lord of the Flies, and other almost quintessential > >required high school novels, I found my friends any I could not share >what > >we both had read. They had no opinions on the books the had read. All > >they > >said was, "Oh yeah. I've read that." They read simply to try to be well > >read. In the time in takes me to read F&Z they've read 3 more books that > >were once considered great works. "Oh yeah. I've read that." These > >people > >are the smartest people I know. Their intellect and mine I would like to > >consider equal. I just think it's placed in different areas and while > >they'll earn $120,000, I'll be at home reading Seymour an introduction >for > >the 39th time with Kraft dinner on the stove. > > I think the educational system is somewhat to blame for >this > >happening but deep down it's the individual. > > > > > > -Car > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:41:30 -0400 >From: Anna Lewandowski <AnnaLew@worldnet.att.net> >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: Me and my macaroni >Message-ID: <37A7A85A.FABA0F26@worldnet.att.net> > > > unused degrees in philosophy on the wall, macaroni on the > > stove, > >So that's what I have to look forward to with my philosophy degree? Good >thing I"m majoring in biology too... although, since I'm not doing med >school, I don't know what I'm going to do with bio anyway. >Oh well, it's a good thing I like Mac and Cheese. Oh and when that gets >too expensive, there's always Ramen... > >Anna > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:12:05 -0400 (EDT) >From: Mike42082@aol.com >To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu >Subject: Re: letter to list >Message-ID: <c0676a14.24d90985@aol.com> > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com