In a message dated 97-12-30 21:44:57 EST, you write: << << Not even other poor, defenseless dogs that were victimized by the initial poor, defenseless dogs? >> Could somebody tell me what the hell that person was talking about?Or did they themselves not know?I guess AntiUtopia does. >> That, Noven, is the Question of the Day :) Sorry, been reading Douglas Adams and had an unusually high tolerance for nonsense :) Jim