In a message dated 97-12-31 02:55:45 EST, you write: << just mean that Holden can never tell us what he MEANS...He can only give us examples. He's completely elliptical, because he doesn't know how to say exactly how he feels. He's got the support without the thesis. >> Ahh, but these examples are EXACTLY what makes me grin like a madman everytime I read Catcher. Those examples were NEVER even close to cliches, they were straight from the heart. It was Holden's ability to speak from the heart that made me love him. Why does one need articulation? I think of the average "Its a Wise Child" contestant when I think of a young kid with articulation. Which would you rather be around? Which would Salanger rather be around? I think the answer is obvious. I don't think Seymour was particularly articulate...not that he couldn't be, he just didn't want to be. He spoke Grownup Holden Talk. :) I think we've talked about this before. Eric BTW, I don't really think you were taking the fact that Holden was inarticulate as a negative. I just love to make it as positive as possible! :)