> But it does seem to me that touchiness about > one's own race is a lamentable admission of insecurity > in the same way that protectiveness on behalf of > another's reflects a rather nasty condescension. > Are blacks - or women, or homosexuals, or Scotsmen - > so delicate that they must be minded like children? Scottie, Scottie, Scottie... You've said this in my general direction before, and I fundamentally disagree with the way you interpret my voice on this. You assume that when I (or anyone else, I don't feel picked on) speaks up on this issue, I am being condescending because I am not black. I think that is malarkey. When men have spoken up in my presence about something they felt was sexist, I did not feel condescended to. Not at all. They were expressing their opinion. If those same men spoke because of an assumption that I was not capable of speaking for myself, then there would be a problem, but that's not always the case. If someone on this list feels that I have been condescending, I would hope that they would tell me (publicly or privately). But Scottie, aren't you doing the same thing by implying that I am being condescending? Can't others speak for themselves? Of course they can. You are just calling it as you see it, which you have every right to do. I speak up about this not because I feel like black people (or women, homosexuals, or Scotsmen) need my help. I speak up because it is what I believe. This is a very personal issue for me. I don't have to be black to have a problem with what I perceive to be racist comments. As for Dogma, I loved it. I'll probably see it again this weekend. Elizabeth