In a message dated 12/29/99 3:16:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, oconnort@nyu.edu writes: > However, I've seen again and again that the proverbial "bad boy" often > wins out, breaks the woman's heart, and the woman bemoans how there are > no "nice guys" out there, and so the cycle goes, and guys like Holden > are always on the sidelines. yep..thats how it works..i fully admit it..but see..ive tried to find the nice guys...but then they just sorta *poof* and loose interest....or just cant take an amazingly obvious hint (and i am the queen of obvious...my pick up lines are so atrocious! theyre funny thou..) or....the nice guy becomes the nice guy friend..never the boyfriend....i dunno..thats my life at least..oh..and about the whole issues things...holden's issues were different..they were endearing..they were more universal...the guys i was talking about..well... lets just say that ..oh nevermind... ~Meredith