Re: suicide


Subject: Re: suicide
AntiUtopia@aol.com
Date: Fri Feb 25 2000 - 18:10:07 EST


In a message dated 2/25/00 3:11:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jjv@caesun.msd.ray.com writes:

<< Drop the western aversion to suicide to grok this. In japan suicide
 means reclaimation of honor. It is the west that thinks your are
 shrugging some duty by suicide. When a man cannot support his family any
 longer -- loses his job -- he commits suicide. This is honorable.
    
    Scottie's point about Messiah makes sense. If APDFB were written after
 F&Z it would be horribly obvious and we'd rail JDS for hitting us over the
 head with such a heavy handed allusion. But preceding F&Z with it gives a
 bit of mystery, that JDS didn't know he'd become a messiah.
 
 -j >>

The aversion to suicide isn't purely western, but I am aware that CERTAIN
MOTIVATIONS FOR SUICIDE in SOME EASTERN TRADITIONS (writing in caps for
emphasis) are more acceptable than others.

But I'm only talking about Seymour here, and I don't see how the acceptable
motivations, even within some eastern traditions (an example of which I'd
mentioned in my first post if you had bothered to pay attention) applies at
all to Seymour.

Jim
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