In a message dated 98-01-19 01:49:59 EST, AntiUtopia@aol.com writes: << << In the Fifties, Oriental philosophy was all the rage. Oppenheimer watched his bomb going off & quoted the Upanishads to himself. As undergraduates, we read Gerald Heard & Aldous Huxley & spent endless hours discussing the freedom of the Unattached Man - all the while slurping down oysters & Guinness in some of the finest bars in Dublin. As I remember, we were every bit as sensitive & dedicated as the Glass children. And although one or two of us did also manage to contrive our own deaths most of us simply grew up. Scottie B. >> I appreciate the bit of historical setting provided here, and I'd LOVE for you to expand on it. I mean it. But aren't you betraying the falseness of your expectations here? Whoever said the Glass children were supposed to be grown up? That's the point, is it not? We're talking about a 25 year old male and a younger female. Yes, some of you did just grow up. But at 25 you weren't yet. The point, I think, is to depict the struggles of youth with the growing realization that their ideals aren't met--not even by those who hold them the most sincerely. This is not just about a bunch of intelligent kids, it's about intelligence itself--and ethics and idealism and spirituality--meeting a banal, shallow, idiotic world. >> I've read this email again because of the great topics brought up by Jim and AntiUtopia,and I was thinking,"Is there something wrong with living your whole life with the youthfulness of Zooey?"That book is fiction.Isn't that a frame of mind that we've all had?But we left it to stay in line.Couldn't you just be out of line and just be like that?I don't find anything really immature about Zooey.He just can't stand people.And a lot of the time I can't stand people either.But I appreciate the fat lady,and so does Jim,and I even think that AntiUtopia still might at times.Maybe a few people on this list can explain what I'm trying to ask?