I don't know how, but it has to be sheer serendepity that led me to the following because I wasn't even searching for anything even remotely connected with JDS (umm, but given the fundamental interconnectedness etc. of everything, maybe that's not really correct). I thought it's definitely something worth sharing. The web page address is: http://www.interlog.com/~mjs/bio.html Mia Sheard With Love And Squalor is the debut disc from Toronto singer / songwriter Mia Sheard. Co-produced by Sheard with Juno award winning producer Michael Phillip Wojewoda (Rheostatics, Barenaked Ladies, Spirit Of The West, Ashley MacIsaac) the album showcases Sheard's dynamic, powerful vocals and unique lyrical insights. [...] [...]With Love And Squalor takes it's title from For Esme, With Love And Squalor , from J.D. Salinger's Nine Stories). Sheard's song, "Seymour" is similarly based on another Salinger story. "It's based on A Perfect Day For Bananafish.. Salinger was a big influence, I became obsessed with his stories and the drama of his writing. It expressed immense emotion but in a very subtle way so that it made the emotion even more extreme, because it was suppressed." Extreme emotion rains over With Love And Squalor's ten tracks. Swinging from intimate whispers to full throated declarations Sheard's voice and lyrics are supported by musical textures that range from delicate ambience to flat out rock. [...] Seymour music and lyrics: Sheard 1996 There's nothing I adore but this Said the man on the shore Who looked down at the perfect fish And the colours they wore Only this do I adore And his wife was on the telephone When the child saw them too And proved that he was not alone In his reds and his blues All the colours there were true Mother I think I should go Seymour's down there all alone He's been acting like an angel If you really want to know I wonder what the fishes eat Said the child to the man Who kissed the arches of her feet Before she got up and ran Mother I think I should go Seymour's coming in the door If there's change I'll let you know Just don't worry anymore -- no more, no more There's nothing I adore but this Said the man on the bed Whose wife sat there oblivious As she painted nails red He brought the gun up to his head For some reason, in my mind's ears I hear the last line to the tune of Simon & Garfunkel's _Richard Cory_"And put a bullet through his head." For some reason I couldn't download the sound-clip supposedly available there, but I would love to hear from anyone of you who succeeds, or who has perhaps heard the album. Heck, I guess I'd just go back to the site and see if I can order it and somehow work out how to send them Canadian dollars... Sonny obNostalgia: Yeah, I remember Helena's (then Natley's Whore?;)) appearance on the list, and thanks Will for all the kind words (undeserved, and therefore embarassing, let me admit, even at the risk of sounding phonily modest, to be spoken of in the same breath as Matt, though highly flattering) but I think I joined much later than all the other names you mention, sometime in July or August of 1996. Some names that readily come to mind as being already on the list then, are the handles "toenail", "jvarsoke" and Jonathan Moritz from Australia. ps: I am intrigued by Jim's refernece to Buddhists and Hindus as bigots, not as an aggravation but merely out of curiosity. I wonder who the respective representatives of these sects were. I hope the general "Hare Krishna" or the ISKON types are not identified as representative of all "Hindus". (Not that anybody is. Nor, for that matter, is there any agreement as to who or what a "Hindu", or indeed, "Hinduism". The only consensus on that seems to be that all those living across river Indus were so called, and the label has remained stuck, though the adherents of very many religions this side of Indus would be vastly affronted by the very idea. pps: i stayed up, speed reading s:ai, looking for answers to Ahimsa's post about Hapworth and Seymour's remarks therein about at least one of them being there on the other's departure, [on that some other time, I feel I need to edit out the jumble of almost incoherent thoughts that I dread even trying to start sorting out now in my sleep deprived state. Talking of labels that stick, the word 'prolix' keeps jumping up at me now whenever I think of Hapworth or S:AI sorry for bunging all of this together instead of replying to individual posts. ramblingly, sonny