Subject: RE: Is "For Esmé" for real?
From: Cold Fish (jiggyfish@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Jan 23 2002 - 09:44:39 GMT
Now, wait a minute...
Right after I sent that message it occured to me that Kronins are not the
currency of The Netherlands, but I'm still not certain what it is (or was).
Wasn't it the Gilder? Is the Kronin a Swedish coin?
Hey, at least I know enough to know that Kronin, or however it's spelled,
means "crown" and Gilder means "gold."
Also, far from a barbarian, you should know that I am 100% fluent in Spanish
and can tell you the currency of every Latin American nation.
I simply prefer to focus on my own hemisphere.
As far as the Amro...believe me, nobody's believing that wacko.
Take care,
Judd
>From: ZazieZazie@hetnet.nl
>Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
>To: <bananafish@roughdraft.org>
>Subject: RE: Is "For Esmé" for real?
>Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:15:42 +0100
>
>
>Kronins? Insult after insult we get to endure from you barbarian Americans
>.... ;-)
>This fantasy currency doesn't even exist. By the way did you read that
>peace in the NYT from this Conservative, who is so afraid of the Euro, he
>wrote a scare story about the 'AMRO' a currency which, in his mind will be
>forced upon the Americans because of the Euro?
>And I thought the Brits here in London (ny new residence) were nuts ...
>
>peas be wid u
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org" <owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org>
>on behalf of "Cold Fish" <jiggyfish@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:00 PM
>To: "bananafish@roughdraft.org" <bananafish@roughdraft.org>
>Subject: RE: Is "For Esmé" for real?
>
>Here are my two €...
>While squalor is indeed defined as "dirty," in this context I think Esmé is
>referring to the conditions typical of the hyper-Romanticist (my term)
>literature of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries: full of strife,
>transcendant love and overwhelmingly difficult circumstances.
>
>Esmé probably wanted Sgt. X to write something with an underlying message
>similar to that of a more modern work that is "extremely squalid and
>moving," 'Love in the Time of Cholera,' in which a recurring theme is:
>"love
>becomes greater and nobler in calamity."
>
>Speaking of €, hope you get your Kronins (is that your currency?) converted
>soon.
>
>Judd
>
> >From: ZazieZazie@hetnet.nl
> >Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> >To: <bananafish@roughdraft.org>
> >Subject: RE: Is "For Esmé" for real?
> >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:30:59 +0100
> >
> >my 2 eurocents ....
> >i don't think Esmee is real, she's much too idealized for that, as is the
> >little brother.
> >What does squalid, or squalor really mean? Is it, as the dictionary say,
> >'dirty'? I find that a little limiting,
> >are there any other meanings to the word? Or what, in the opinion of the
> >native speakers, is the meaning intended here?
> >I got this book from my ex-bf, and i am not really sure what he meant by
> >it, so there's a personal interest here as well :-)
> >
> >Z.
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: "owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org" <owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org>
> >on behalf of "Cold Fish" <jiggyfish@hotmail.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 6:13 PM
> >To: "bananafish@roughdraft.org" <bananafish@roughdraft.org>
> >Subject: Re: Is "For Esmé" for real?
> >
> >I want to know if JDS literally wrote "For Esmé" as the belated
>fulfillment
> >of a promise to a young, orphaned British girl to write a story for her
>and
> >"Make it extremely squalid and moving."
> >
> >In other words, is "For Esmé" a work of pure fiction or a recounting of
> >JDS'
> >(or, rather, Staff Sergent X's) own wartime experiences?
> >
> >Judd
> >
> > >From: Jim Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu>
> > >Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> > >To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> > >Subject: Re: Is "For Esmé" for real?
> > >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:30:59 -0500
> > >
> > >heh...love your tag :).
> > >
> > >I mean, I know it's autobiographical to the extent that Chris mentioned
> >in
> > >his replies to you...yes, Salinger was in the service and undoubtedly
> >drew
> > >from his experiences to write his wartime fiction. The question
>is...how
> > >far do you think it's autobiographical? Are you asking all the way
>down
> >to
> > >his meeting a young woman and her brother in a restaurant and getting a
> > >watch from her in the mail? The story seems to imply a motive for its
> >own
> > >writing...so I wonder if Salinger himself was similarly motivated? Are
> >you
> > >asking that far?
> > >
> > >Maybe Will and Tim would know :).
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >Cold Fish wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The academics in the group will have to forgive me, as I'm sure the
> > >question
> > > > I'm about to ask has been treated at length in this forum or
>another;
> > > > however, since I have yet to read commentary on the subject, I will
> > >raise it
> > > > here.
> > > >
> > > > Is there any evidence that "For Esmé with Love and Squalor" is at
>all
> > > > autobiographical? Every time I read that story -- and I read it
> > >frequently
> > > > -- I am struck by the degree of realism that I don't tend to see in
> > >other
> > > > JDS works (possibly with the exception of the Zooey half of Franny
>and
> > > > Zooey). I can't help but feel that the story is inspired by
>something
> > >unique
> > > > and very personal.
> > > >
> > > > I know that JDS was in the service during WWII, but I don't know
>where
> > >or if
> > > > he was anywhere near D-Day.
> > > >
> > > > I also know that the date of publication of the story could roughly
> > >coincide
> > > > with the character's wedding at age 18.
> > > >
> > > > Again, if this is a Salinger no-brainer, I apologize...it certainly
> > >feels
> > > > like an elementary question for this group.
> > > >
> > > > Judd
> > > >
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