Re: Re: On My Disgusting Attitude (Was Good Will Hunting Before I Was

Brendan McKennedy (the.tourist@mailexcite.com)
Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:46:49 -0700 

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Just being prolific
>doesn't always mean you're that great.  If you've taken many literature
>courses you would realize where the unfortunately passed-on Mr. Ginsberg
>stands in relation to other poets.  He wasn't an exceptional poet,
>people are concerned more with what he had to say.  THat's why we didn't
>mind when he scribbled so much nonsense down along with the good stuff.


Where does Mr. Ginsberg stand in relation to
 other poets?  And what other poets do you 
mean?  I love Ginsberg, I'll admit, but I also
 don't care much for poets like Tennyson (I don't
even know how to spell his name) or Shelley...
Percy, that is.  Mary Shelley was brilliant.

Ginsberg shed all of the ridiculous conventions of
poetry, all the rules, much in the same way Claude
Debussy favored chord inversions that his schooling
did now "allow".

I love that people dare to express their distaste 
over certain poets and films that might generally
be considered Required Inspiration, but I don't 
see any use at all in trying to sway others toward
you, especially by insulting their own affinity 
toward the artist/artwork in question.

Brendan



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Dave Koch wrote:
> 
 (terrible, terrible movie), it's about modern fiction generally and
> people's attitudes towards it. I'm a creative writing minor here at
> school, so I've taken my share of creative writing classes. 

Are you comparing a movie to literature???  Aren't those two incredibly
distinct genres? Even if a film draws its inspiration from a modern
novel, the two become separate entities once the cameras roll. And as a
writing major, I'm sure you haven't taken THAT many classes in fiction
writing, if you are only a minor in the subject.

> hope everyone isn't taking this the wrong way. But *I* just *have* to
> say that I'm much more disgusted with people who take fiction (and
> Allen Ginsberg for that matter) and good writing generally for
> granted, who think it's easy to produce as a slice of mediocre apple
> pie than people who disagree with my movie tastes. But to each his own
> and all that stuff, I suppose.

I have a couple collections of Ginsberg's poetry.  Just being prolific
doesn't always mean you're that great.  If you've taken many literature
courses you would realize where the unfortunately passed-on Mr. Ginsberg
stands in relation to other poets.  He wasn't an exceptional poet,
people are concerned more with what he had to say.  THat's why we didn't
mind when he scribbled so much nonsense down along with the good stuff.

I may not have been paying much attention to this argument, but I'm
confused as to why a film is being called "bad literature".  I'm also
curious what you would call good literature?  Maybe that would give
everyone a frame of reference.

Brian
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