In a message dated 1/22/98 2:30:00 PM EST, bowman@mail.indigo.ie writes: << And Jim suggests we should aim at the undemanding cameraderie of `a bar table' where only the meanderings not be tolerated are those of a drunken Englishman. >> GAWD Scottie, don't respond to me until you've really read me :) I didn't say we should **aim** for the undemanding cameraderie of a bar table. I said we **already** had it, and thus should learn to live with it. Come on, you as well as I have different diction level expectations for different kinds of settings. You do. You know it :). You yourself probably write on one level for mass media, another level for academic writing, and speak on yet another level when you really are seated at a bar table. And the later it is in the evening, the lower the level may be :) I'd say, in fact, that the level of diction is in an inverse proportion to the attractiveness of the women in the bar. I'm saying we need to apply proper expectations for listserves. I think about two hours into drinking is a reasonable expectation of a listserve used by the general public. I do agree with you that we should aim for the most precise langauge possible. But even that won't always help, judging from your response to me :) Jim P.S. "Look...it's k-k-k-ken c-c-c-coming to k-k-k-kill me!"