Keep in mind that Finnegan's Wake begins and ands with incomplete sentences that make a luscious whole sentence if the reader gets to the end of the book and begins again (thanks to Vico's idea of "recourso.") Keep in mind that there are a variety of literacy levels in the list participants as there are among all people. Keep in mind that trying to make ideas work without conventions of discourse is often a risk, just as those conventions risk making ideas less clear. As an English Professor and Director of Writing, I do think that mastering conventions of language is always a worthwhile challenge and I continue to learn them...I was dyslexic and not a good user of conventional language but there is little knowledge I now value more. As a "techie" (I designed and implemented my university's first online writing classroom, have presented thinking about computers and learning at more than a dozen national conferences, and spend an average of 6 hours a day online participating in several lists and enjoying "information overload" on the web), I've come to enjoy the freer discourse conventions online. I sense the list division personally because I have liabilities as an english user and because I believe passionately in the effective use of language. I also believe mr. salinger has a deep respect for the conventions of language but he has not said much about that outside of his fiction and what he says in his fiction is open to a variety of interpretations. In all honesty, I want this list to help me with my thinking about salinger texts and tend to read most posts... Let it rip--write what you want and how you want--that's why we have a delete function--but if you think that not improving your use of language or avoiding necessary conventions of discourse makes your ideas persuasive, think again, or at least think about how language really works in your life..."A way a lone a last a loved l long the riverrun, will