Re: Notes from the river bottom

AARGHH! Okay, so <i> starts them, what in the heck do I put to stop them?!

 
> whoa, if Bishop can get away with the dramatic, italicized ending, I sure
can't. Try this one, instead.

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"Isn't that the purpose of modern lit, to display a cross section of the
empty body (machina sin anima)?  Wouldn't you say Woolf's work really
illustrates 20th century verbose emptiness?"
I don't think that was Woolf's purpose, and I'm recalling something she
said about <i>Mrs. Dalloway<i/>: "I adumbrate here a study of insanity and
suicide; the world seen by the sane and the insane side by side." This is the 
question, ultimately unanswerable, that terrifies me a little bit in this
discussion: Is Woolf a bore because she's a bore, or because "verbose
emptiness" relects how unbearable is the view of the world "seen by the
sane and the insane side by side?" 
luke
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From: Yocum Daniel GS 21 CES/CEOE <daniel.yocum@Peterson.af.mil>
Sent: 07/08/03 09:48 AM
To: "'bananafish@roughdraft.org'" <bananafish@roughdraft.org>
Subject: RE: Notes from the river bottom
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> Isn't that the purpose of modern lit, to display a cross section of the
empty body (machina sin anima)?  Wouldn't you say Woolf's work really
illustrates 20th century verbose emptiness?  I mean, those fleeing
tediousness or boredom are fleeing the inescapable, no matter where they
go
they take the bore with them.  It seems very characteristic of the modern
lost generation.  The undead despising the un-undead.  I still keep her on
my shelf handy to exercise the 'punk' out of me, a little hair of the dog.
Daniel
Oh, lord, you read much Woolf at all and her snobbery was inescapable.  
I'm thinking, in particular, of a very useful essay of hers -- "Modern 
Fiction" or "On Modern Ficiton."  She describes a middle class woman she 
saw once on a train (if I'm remembering this right), the story she 
imagines about her, the inner life she would represent -- all in a very 
nice, graphic, easy to understand illustration of the difference between 
19th century fiction and her own (and Joyce's and a few other writers). 
Then, of course, she dispenses with the old woman because her story 
would be "tedious" or, perhaps, "boring."  Of course it would be, 
because she's an old middle class woman.  God knows the only interesting 
people are in Woolf's set. 
Woolf, I think, had the right to be a little bit of a snob, and beyond 
that, take away the snobbery and there isn't much left.  It's all part 
of who she is. 
Joyce, for my part, is a whole lot more interesting.  I haven't read a 
single Woolf character with half the life of Molly Bloom.  At least not 
yet.  I haven't read _Orlando_ yet either, though.
Jim
Yocum Daniel GS 21 CES/CEOE wrote:
>All this huff over river gravel, if she yet lived I'm sure all this
>criticism would motivate a body to cast itself into a river or something,
>Woolf's snobbery surely must have been the heaviest weight bearing on her
>mind dragging her to the bottom like pockets full of stones.  (see Kim,
an
>ally can be worse than an enemy)
>
>Jim, she had Tina in mind.
>
>Daniel
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