J J R wrote: > > <<While I'm on the topic of universal, I just HAVE to get my two cents > in. How about this for universal: a > feeling that is basic and human, like Edna Ponteiller felt in "The > Awakening." I really don't know how to > explain this, but something....primordial, or a connection with nature. > All humans are capable of feeling this, > correct? I guess it depends which side of the fence you're on in the > Universal discussion, but the only thing > that every person has in common is existence, right? Hmm, I guess it is > more clear in my head than on this > email.>> > > Well, you see, that's just the problem. I don't relate to Edna at all. > Due to gender differences? Maybe, but if we're gonna call something > Universal then it has to relate to Everyone. Course, I know a lot of > women who think Edna was a spoiled brat-- women who are pretty > independent, business owners, and well educated. So even apart from > gender differences, we have a problem identifying everyone with Edna. > > What you've said is that YOU can identify with Edna. No problem there. > I think there's a lot of western women who can identify with Edna. Would > a typical woman in Tibet even understand her struggle? If not, then > maybe her experience is not so universal. > > Jim I wasn't trying to emphasize the feminism in the novel, but when Edna "[realized] her position in the universe as a human being...." I'm talking about a connection with nature, something all humans could feel (hypothetically). Remember how Edna felt when she heard Chopin, was in the presence of a male she desired, or went swimming? I guess a farmer or a sailor has a better chance of experiencing this than say, a person with a desk job in a city, but aren't these instinctual emotions somewhere inside every human?