Re: Revelations

James J Rovira (jrovira@juno.com)
Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:06:57 -0400 (EDT) 

I think if you look at the actual content of the prophecies you'd see
what I mean.

Ok, in the book of Daniel, King Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of a large statue
with a head of gold, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of
bronze, legs of iron, and feet of iron mixed with clay.

He was told that each section of the statue represented successive human
kingdoms.  Neb himself was the head of gold.  As the book of Daniel
progresses, we see the chest and arms of silver represent the
Medo-Persian kingdom (which Nebuchadnezzar didn't live to see, and who
supplanted his son), and we are told in the book of Daniel that the next
kingdom -- the bronze -- is the King of Greece, whom Daniel himself
didn't live to see.  He's represented later in the book as a goat with a
single large horn which is broken off, four horns taking its place.

Alexander the Great conquered Greece and most of what we know of as the
Middle east, then died, and his territory was divided up between his four
generals.  

Now, since the Greeks (and the Medo-Persians for that matter)  had no
access to this prophecy, how could it possibly be self-fulfilling?  The
only antisupernatural explanation is to late date the book of Daniel,
because no one informed of its content can believe it to be self
fulfilling.  They just say, instead, that the book was written after the
fact.

It's generally assumed that the legs of iron represent the Roman Empire,
and the feet of Iron mixed with clay is a future reconstruction of the
Roman Empire.

Jim

On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Thor Cameron
<my_colours@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>None of these really apply to Biblical prophecy.  The stuff in 
>Daniel,
>>for example, could not possibly be self fulfilling in any way, shape 
>or
>>form.
>
>Au Contraire, mon ami.
>
>The Jews returning to an independant Jerusalem was a self-fulfilling 
>prophecy thousands of years in the making.  ANY prophecy can be 
>self-fulfilling, unless it breaks the laws of physics, and, as science 
>
>progresses, maybe even then.
>Thor
>
>
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