Subject: Re: Cheever and Salinger
From: Chris Kubica (ckubica@insightbb.com)
Date: Fri Jun 21 2002 - 12:38:12 EDT
If I buy six of those eBay Catcher in the Rye flasks and take six drinks of
Scotch and Sodas (Holden's favorite drink, says he) out of each does that
strengthen my claim? ;)
Sincerely,
chris kubica
the fm pro, inc.
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> From: Jim Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu>
> Organization: Drew University
> Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:23:24 -0400
> To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
> Subject: Re: Cheever and Salinger
>
> Yeah, it's probably a good hunch too since Hemingway kinda influenced EVERYONE
> back then. That influence is unquestionable...it was pervasive. I'd like to
> see
> it turn into more than a hunch...
>
> Jim
>
> Chris Kubica wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info on Cheever.
>>
>> I wasn't really trying to make a formal claim about "six", I was just
>> announcing my hunch. I do think it's a nod, though, whether JDS was
>> conscious of it or not.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> chris kubica
>> the fm pro, inc.
>> 765-497-2294 (Phone)
>> 425-671-5648 (Fax)
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/thefmpro/
>>
>>> From: Jim Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu>
>>> Organization: Drew University
>>> Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
>>> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:56:24 -0400
>>> To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
>>> Subject: Cheever and Salinger
>>>
>>> Chris --
>>>
>>> I'd say some of Cheever's fiction was written about people very much like
>>> those who populate Salinger's work -- semi-affluent or middle to upper
>>> middle class northeasterners. There are some similarities in style too --
>>> if you compare, say, Nine Stories to some of Cheever's short stories. I
>>> haven't read Cheever in awhile so this is off the cuff...but if you want to
>>> read Cheever, I'd start with his collected stories. You can find used
>>> copies everywhere cheap...that's been my experience, anyway...both
>>> hardcover and paperback. I'm not so much claiming influence either way,
>>> but just observing similarities in style that I think arose independently.
>>> Probably a reflection of the type of stuff that people were publishing back
>>> then.
>>>
>>> I don't know why Salinger chose "six" Bananafish, but it's not the thing
>>> that I'd necessarily feel needs to have meaning ascribed to it. The number
>>> of bananafish doesn't seem significant because I don't think the number 6
>>> recurs in the story at all. It's not impossible that this was a nod to
>>> Hemingway of some sort, but that'd just take a bit of research to prove.
>>> Like a list of significant similarities between that particular work by
>>> Hemingway and this particular work by Salinger, or a reference by Salinger
>>> in personal correspondence about this work by Hemingway that shows positive
>>> influence. SOMETHING :). I don't think thematic similarities are enough
>>> to show this kind of specific influence...I think we'd need to work on the
>>> sentence level, even -- something that reflected definite influence. It's
>>> not impossible but the bare assertion isn't enough.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
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