Some good points here - I've always observed that the biggest trouble with creating these poet-seer geniuses in literature is the rather touchy business of providing these works of `genius' for proof. I liked the approach in `The Inverted Forest' best - I think hearing *any* of Seymour's poetry is kind of ... desanctifying's not the word, but ... actually, if any of you ever read Nabokov's `Pale Fire' it's kind of a parody of this phenomena. He actually duplicates the whole poem, and lets you choose whether it is a work of genius or rubbish (I had a whole list of Seymour/`Pale Fire' parallels I was going to post but I thought it'd be getting too esoteric) But it's true - in Salinger the poetic spirit is tangibly celebrated more than is poetry It interests me though that Aaron said it made him like poetry better. To me, the poetry of Salinger lies somewhere between the lines - the ultimate haiku, the one that needs no words at all. I think, for example, of the sequence at the beginning of `A Perfect Day for Bananafish' where Muriel gets ready. If you read it objectively, it's just straight description. But somewhere there, in between the lines, is this incredible, ineffable poetry. It's between every line of Catcher, it's hiding between the cracks in The Laughing Man, unseeable but *there*. Perhaps this is where the poetry of Raymond Ford or Seymour Glass lies (or should lie) - in this poetic space which something in our subconscious responds to. It's interesting that this is the first assertion I've heard practically anywhere that Seymour is anything but an unassailably great poetic genius; we've all been led to accept that and maybe we are reading this invisible poetry somehow. It's true though that he does tend to confuse the roles of poet and saint; the performer of unexplainable, invisible miracles (I wrote `mirrors' first, an interesting Freudian slip!). But that interested me too - for haven't I said before how frequently Salinger and Deity tend to become intermixed on this listserv? I wonder sometimes also if Salinger's exile from the world doesn't have something to do with his equating his artistic and spiritual quest - it seems the best explanation for a pretty inexplicable thing. I think the reason we admire the poetry, the poet and the saint is that we conflate them into one entity in our minds. Camille verona_beach@geocities.com @ THE ARTS HOLE www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/6442 Maybe he should have called it `The Invisible Forest'! > So, I humbly propose that we come away from these works more enamored > of poets than of poetry. Of course, since these great men were able > to distil their wisdom into holy runes it certainly seems a good idea > to read their poetry, even if it means learning a foreign language. > So, if we come away with such an inspiring vision of poetry, I think > is largely due the simple assertion that the poet is related to the saint, > when it is really the saint whom we truly admire. > > By the way, I really do feel that an appreciation for poetry, and the > development of poetic skills can lead to an awakened sensitivity > to spirituality, I only mean to point out that in this subject, > Salinger has asserted his point rather than demonstrated it. > > All the best, > Mattis