Dear Camille and all, What a nice thing it is that our list extends until the far antipodes. To tell the truth, I wasn't all that excited by Scottie's description of an aboriginal cocktail party, but how can I fail to appreciate our austral brethren (sisthren?) when I read my email at 1 AM, New York time, and can try again at 8:30 AM and find a half dozen messages. Of course our early rising European contingent may take credit too. Even nicer, and more amazing, is that Camille in her continuing the discussion of the poet/saint connection, in addition to having added some thoughtful observations, managed to address the paragraph that I deleted from my original post and never sent. What I had considered writing was that while the poet may not be a saint, the saint is a poet in the sense that his words may carry overtones enabling the hearer/reader to see Meaning, Beauty, Truth beyond the actual sense of the words - a between the lines, blank haiku, poetry. As alluring as this sounds, though, I couldn't bring myself to say this. There may be true beauty in a single word, and there may be something poetic in a sincerely whispered phrase but I feel it is the ability of the poet to create a world of meaning and let us see, or try to, as he does, that creates poetry. I think that when we are asked to find profundity in a cigar butt or a blank sheet of paper, the asker is holding up a mirror and letting us see only what we are able to let be reflected. While it may be enlightening, even gratifying, it is self-driven and more like an encounter group than literary communication. By the way, please don't think that I don't enjoy this blank haiku genre, I only question the appropriateness of calling it poetry. Then again, calling this type of reading experience self-driven may answer the question of why reading Salinger makes us think of poetry. There may not be any poems on the page or even between the lines, yet by the precise and well crafted framing and phrasing we may be led to provide the poetry ourselves. Just one more thing (because I would rather be considered verbose than pseudo-profound and a zen wannabe). I simply mean by that last paragraph that if we consider the task of the poet to see something and then transmit his private insight to us, then someone who can hold that same something up silently for our observation and make us care enough to look at it ourselves with the same sort of eyes is inviting us to be poets. All the best, Mattis (p.s. I apologize if this arrives twice, my mail software seems to indicate that this never made it out, so I am sending it again)