Re: hemingway

jordie chambers (jordiekc@rocketmail.com)
Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:17:18 -0700 (PDT) 

O.K.  All of this is honest, no trickery.  I feel like
shit.  Monday is hard enough.  I have been through
listserv's before and, since my christmas gift of a
computer, I've been wondering if my internet connection is
worth it.  I am wondering what I must say before I am
'redeemed' as a person who can communicate with anyone.  I
have left a bunch of open ended messages and none so far
have been anything but proud, scholarly or fearful. 
Rarely beautiful but among those, I cherish, but I lack
the arrogance to mention the names.

I really don't want to go away, but in the dialogue I've
seen, I am the unwanted stranger.  I am most hurt by the
silent ones.  

Among the 'bigshots', the adults who subscribe to the
past, please let me know if I, as a 22 year old angry
person who tried both fluexotine and paroxetine and who
was diagnosed as a very fucking smart boy when he was a
young boy (I shit you not, one thirty fucking eight, I
hate 'smart' people with an ego driven joi de vie.  Just
remember, egg-glib-buttslammin-fellows, if you have
nothing to say except mean shit, I will have meaner shit
to deal.  Arrogant, yes.  True, maybe) and who shivers in
communicato with anyone aside from other human facial
expressions and glibbins.  The truth is, I hate you all; I
am trying to love you.  It fucking kills me though, when
you ignore me.  I'll behave if you pay attention to me -
ultimatum.
  
J Rovira <jrovira@juno.com> wrote:
>
> I have heard myself that King James, the sponsor of the
King Jimmy
> version of the Bible, was wantonly immoral in a large
number of ways, and
> homosexually promiscuous. . .
> 
> BUT, the King James translation is not the only one that
condemns
> physical expressions of homosexuality.  Every
translation I've ever read
> on this subject reads about the same way. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Sun, 06 Jun 1999 01:19:03 -0400 Aaron
<aaron.brager@writeme.com>
> writes:
> >Being phony to oneself is one of the worst things I can
think of.
> >
> >Being forced to be phony to society isn't bad, as long
as you aren't 
> >using
> >faulty logic to justify it.
> >
> >Speaking of gay people, is anyone here highly
knowledgeable regarding 
> >the
> >bible?  A (gay) friend said that King James was gay;
and that the KJ
> >translation of the bible is the only one that says it
is wrong.  Any 
> >truth
> >to this?
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Camille Scaysbrook <verona_beach@geocities.com>
> >To: <bananafish@lists.nyu.edu>
> >Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 1:06 AM
> >Subject: Re: hemingway
> >
> >
> >> Aaron wrote:
> >> > Does it count as phony if one is forced into being
phony via peer
> >> pressure
> >> > and death threats?
> >> >
> >> > > Hey! I'm still getting over the news that he was
gay! What a 
> >painful
> >> way
> >> > to
> >> > > live your life - as a phony all the way
> >>
> >> I meant being phony to yourself. To me there is no
sadder fate than 
> >to
> >> ignore that wonderful, timeless axiom `to thine own
self be true'. 
> >It's
> >> truly a quote to live by. If an individual is forced
by society to 
> >live in
> >> a way that is against their innermost self, then all
the sadder. It 
> >just
> >> seems a shame that Hemingway could not deal with it
the way that 
> >countless
> >> other writers could - W.H. Auden, Isherwood, Capote,
Vidal, so on 
> >(and I
> >> chose them because they lived in an era in which it
was just as 
> >unaccepted
> >> as in Hemingway's time) . It just makes me a little
sad that it 
> >makes me
> >> question the vicissicitude of Hemingway's work - all
that macho 
> >posturing,
> >> all the gunning and gal-ing - it was all a
> >> masquerade ...
> >>
> >> Camille
> >> verona_beach@geocities.com
> >> @ THE ARTS HOLE
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/6442
> >> @ THE INVERTED FOREST
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/invertedforest
> >>
> >
> 
>
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