Re: Irony in West Egg

Tim O'Connor (oconnort@nyu.edu)
Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:22:07 -0400

On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 02:21:59PM -0400, Pierrot65@aol.com wrote:

> 	"So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly 
> into the past."
> 
> That, for my money, is certainly one of the most beautiful things ever set to 
> paper. 

Absolutely.

Pierrot, this was a wonderful post, and it shows how we can read things 
so differently.  I grant Scotty's point about hindsight (and Scotty, I 
loved your post as well), but in my frequent reading of "Gatsby," I
know the hindsight is there ("my younger and more vulnerable days"), but
I have always felt that Fitzgerald introduces us to a Nick who relays a
story through the eyes of that younger and more vulnerable person.  I
don't get the feeling that the later Nick -- the one who knows all the
facts at the end of the book -- is speaking to us in an "I knew it all
along" tone.

I concede your interpretation, though.

I've always thought that "Gatsby" is told in a way that is analogous to
those sunglasses that are dark at the top and light at the bottom, with
a gradation between the two extremes.  I have felt that Nick is telling
us in the beginning a story as seen through the eyes of an innocent, and
that as the story progresses, he becomes less so.  And that is why I 
have considered him a less-than-reliable narrator; he holds his cards a
bit too close to his chest.  (And if I mix another metaphor in this
paragraph, I shall fine myself 500 francs.)

> By the end of the story, Nick believes in what Gatsby believed 
> -- but he is also made aware of the consequences of that philosophy, through 
> Gatsby's tragic "sacrifice," if we can call it that, and I certainly think we 
> can. 

Ah, but what DOES Gatsby believe?  He's a shining archetype of the
American who can remake himself in a form that pleases him.  But I
don't know about beliefs as much as I know about motivation (get all
you can get; smile pretty and watch your back).  Gatsby, in my reading
of him, is hollow inside.  When you peel back the layers, you see ...
nothing.  Which is, I think, a big difference between Gatsby and Nick.

> I think maybe what is more 
> important is whether or not the narrator is being reliable to himself, and 
> that, of course, is where Holden comes in. 

Yes, precisely.  That's one key to this discussion.

> 	Let me also add that, after tons and gobs of Hemingway talk in these 
> hallowed halls, it is personally satisfying to me that the talk has, even if 
> just momentarily, turned to Fitzgerald.

Agreed.  It amazes me that he is so little appreciated, and that reading
"Gatsby" is seen as a school chore rather than approached as the gem
it is.  The first time I read it, I read it straight through, and then 
stayed there on the bed, very quiet and very awed by what I had just
read.

--tim