Subject: Whining about whining?
From: Andrew Kennis (kennis@math.grin.edu)
Date: Fri Mar 07 1997 - 16:06:02 GMT
On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Nancy Stone wrote:
Quite ironically Nancy......you are the one who seems to come off as the
whiner here. Let's go over your post again.
> Dear fellow Bananafish,
>
> Can anyone think of any JDS-related topics?? I know that we haven't
> exhausted all of the possibilities on this list quite yet. I seem to
> recall a new bananafish pleading for some CITR discussion. Perhaps you
> Gen-Xers can e-mail each other privately with your incessant whining,
> opinions, foul language, attacks, etc.? This Gen-Xer (and, no, I do not
> mind this term) would like to hear more about JDS. I have been on this
> list for 8 months, and even though I don't contribute very often to the
> list, I read each & every post. I look forward to more relevant posts in
> the near future!!
>
ahhhhh, so you don't like the lack of JDS posts and you think we are a
bunch of whiners for talking about generational related problems, issues and
the like. Fair enough. But, to then post a very whiney post complaining about
whining? Um, that's a lil, er, hypocritical Nancy...don't ya think? If you are
so upset about the lack of JDS posts about CITR, why don't you stop whining
(sorry to beat this word to death) and post some posts of your own? It's
really not that hard to start a topic Nancy. I even had similar
sentiments to you, at one point. At one point, we weren't talking about
JDS that much and the issues that we were talking about to me seemed
shallow, superficial, and meaningless. So, what did I do? I posted
similar complaints to yours, but in addition to my post, I attempted to start
the very topics I had thought hadn't been given, their due respect. You fail
to do this in your post yet you do not fail to......whine.
CITR topics? Well, I'm not sure if we have addressed the scene where
Holden gets lectured by his History teacher.....for, if we have, I
certainly missed it. In any case though, what does everybody think about
this scene? Is Holden sympathizing with his teacher? Does he feel "sorry"
for the pride the teacher tries to exude only to be hindered by the tolls
that time and nature has taken on this old man? Or, is he just simply
disgusted by him, period? I have always thought that Holden is actually
a very empathetic individual, despite the fact that he sometimes hides
his sensitivity with his brazen tendencies (though, the brazen'ness only
come out to us, the readers, and not in dialogue). There are times, of
course, that Holden doesn't hide his empathetic tendencies and is very
direct about them....right? The nun scene comes to mind? But, there are
other times, that he seems to hide it. Doesn't Holden really secretly
sympathize with Ackley (sp?), or does he not? Coming back to my original
question, does Holden really sympathize with his old and seemingly infirm
teacher, or not?
Your thoughts would be most appreciated. Especially yours, Nancy. :-)
--AK
p.s. Whoa, did I not breath one curse word in this post? I must be a
virtuous one. I love it, I really do, when supposed Salingerians complain
about foul language. Isn't that, shall we say, lovely? Seriously. I always
like to wonder if these same people were the people lobbying for the ban of
CITR in classrooms and unfortunately succeeding, in many cases.
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