Subject: Re: 13 Gen'ers<-----the unlucky bunch
From: Mark Kuhar (mkuhar@mail.ohio.net)
Date: Fri Mar 07 1997 - 08:55:58 GMT
Andrew,I hate to interrupt you when you're on a roll, but some of what you
just said is just plain wrong. You make some valid points about corporate
profits, Wall Street and monopolies in the entertainment industry, but to
say the environment continues to sour is way off base. Despite some
egregious violations of dumping laws and other obscene instances of
corporate abuse, we have seen a 20 year brake put on environmental
degradation. The EPA will be the first to tell you its regulatory structure
has given us extraordinary successes. I'm living in the midst of one. The
Cuyahoga River was clinically dead 20 years ago, and it is now vibrant and
alive. You also make some naive statements about product safety. Again, you
are always going to find instances where companies make products that are
not on the up and up, but overall, the products given to us as consumers
are pretty damn safe. Ralph Nader has never been alble to revisit his early
success as a consumer advocate, strictly because he did his work well.
Products are safer. Is you generation mostly in poverty? I'd have to do
some research on that one. I'm seriously doubting it. I see racism and
sexim all around me just like you do. Let's put Rush Limbaugh and Newt
Gingrich on a rocket into space. We'll go along way towards solving that
problem. And do me a favor. If you resond to this, don't preface your
remarks with uhhhh, or ummmm, or hmmmmm. It's so annoying. --mark
>On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Sasha Stone wrote:
>
>> I think it is an interesting but decidedly whiney generation with nothing
>> real to fight against but feels the need to feel tortured anyway simply
>> because there is nothing to fight again - whose biggest claim to faim is
>> that they aren't the Baby Boomers.
>
>Nothing real to fight against? I beg to differ.
>
>20% of our generation is in poverty. We receive the least amount of
>funding from the public sector out of all generations. We'll be lucky if
>social security is not sold to Wall Street. Savage inequalities reign
>free in every demographic category imaginable. We are children of
>divorce. We are the victims of corporate and worker exploitation, as
>corporate profits go sky high and workers wages stagnate while consumers
>get barraged by the most commercialism oriented state in the world (not
>to mention the lack of product safety, as Ralph Nader can attest). Four
>companies, Time Warner, Westinghouse, Disney/CAP Cities, and GE own
>basically the whole entertainment front (well over 70% of the market).
>The environment continues to sour. I understand that Vietnam was bad and
>everything, but so is the fact that my generation are predominantly in
>poverty, without health insurance, are without job opportunities, are
>without educational opportunities ('specially in rural/urban localities),
>and are still subjected to an insidiously racist and sexist society.
>
>I think Will would even agree with me on the fact that
>undergraduates are facing less and less job opportunities and there are
>more and more unemployed PhD holders. Fuck, even the youth in the elite is
>taking a hit, when compared to the older elites.
>
>Don't tell me my generation has no problems. Don't tell me we have less
>problems. We have more.
>
>Disgust is not apathy.
>
>>
>> Oh, poor us. Good thing the stock market didn't crash.
>
>Um, it did, in '89.
>
>> Good thing there aren't Nazis tattooing numbers on our arms.
>
>Um, Nazis are still alive and well. To believe they aren't, is naive.
>
>> Good thing we aren't fighting for our right to vote anymore.
>
>You're right, we aren't. We have the lowest turnout rate among all
>industrialized Democracies in the whole world. We also have the most
>cumbersome registration procedures, only have two viable choices in most
>elections, have long ass lines during elections, have elections during
>the middle of the week, and a host of other pathetic vote problems this
>country seems not to care about.
>
>> Good thing we aren't being whipped my our masters because we looked at
>> a white woman.
>>
>
>Yes, it's a wonderful thing that hords of African Americans are subjected
>to impoverished third world like conditions and are forced to be slaves
>to elitists like you (i.e. service industry with *non*-living-wages) or are
>thrown in jail for trying to make a living in what is purported to be a
>free society, but really isn't at all.
>
>> Yeah, we have it rough allright. Real fucking rough. We're singing da
>>blues.
>>
>
>Sasha, you might not have it rough, but the rest of the struggling youth
>of America does. Get out of your hole.
>
>
>--AK
>
>
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