In a message dated 98-03-18 15:22:30 EST, you write: << I agree but I think that the Buddhists were just trying to warn us of our ignorance to reality. Language is good when it comes from the mouth or pen of JD Salinger or any great poet who does a better job of approximating reality on their own terms. I think a Zen master or even an apprentice would appreciate a good long discourse with someone who understood this. Even Derrida gave three hour lectures, or at least that's what I've heard. Suerte >> Derrida and the post structuralists have often been compared with those who hold to apophatic theology, and have always distanced themselves, I think.... Jim