Sorry for incomplete message - one click in the wrong place and wham! Here's the whole message. > > > > By & large, though, they didn't give advice about the writing itself > > or offer serious critiques of it. And that suited me fine. I didn't > > want to write like them. I wanted to write like the absolutely > > inimitable R.M.Bowman. I knew only too well where I hadn't > > managed to do what I'd intended. I already had a fair idea what > > I'd try next time. > > If a writer has forged ahead into greater literary success than > > yourself he'll tend to encourage you in the role of disciple. > > And if you're on a roughly equal footing, he'll see you as a threat > > & will probably try - hopefully unconsciously - to undermine you. > > If you've fallen behind in the race, his guilt will be such that > > he'll try to escape the contamination of failure by avoiding all > > contact. > > I don't know about you other writers out there, but I found Scottie's post quite moving - it's a great summary of the trials and tribulations of the humble Writer whose environment always seems to want him or her to do something more sensible, like become a travel agent or a bureaucrat, and whom, as he says, spends an awful lot more time promising to write than actually writing. I can absolutely see your point about the unconscious rivalry that could taint such an enterprise as this. It's so true that six people in a room equal six big rampaging egos (believe me, I've worked in theatre (: - there's some mighty delicate egos there! ) and I'm certainly not aiming to teach anyone how to write. Using the aforementioned net play that I'm involved in as an example - the play was begun at World Interplay 1998 - The International Festival of Young Playwrights. The skills of the people involved (basically the cream of the youthful crop from 17 different countries) blew my mind - I was in awe of their achievements. Yet as soon as they became another letter in my e-mail box, a great process of equalization seemed to occur. I'm not saying we aren't all trying to outdo each other, and that occasionally someone's style of writing may not annoy you - but I actually think there can be merit in such vicarious competition - `I'll show YOU!' can also become `I'll show ME!' > > What I really needed to be told was: Yes, I had > > the real stuff.... It was only a matter of time.... Keep at it.... > > They'd gone through the same uncertainties but if you never, never, > > never surrendered it all came right in the end.... THIS is exactly what I'd hope - maybe I'm a fond socialist, but - a mutual support group. Because, as you say ... > > There really is no company in writing. We all seek it, of course. > > We remember the warmth of the herd. But whenever we engage > > in other pursuits - like contributing to this list - we're actually > > wasting time, sharpening pencils & putting off the horrible moment > > when we must sit down & do the one thing we're meant to be doing - > > surely one of the most futile & arduous activities known to man. I also find that starting is the hardest part, and talking to other writers we all agreed that the self-discipline - sticking to self made deadlines and such - is something that is improved when someone else is actually relying on you to produce something. That's how it is for me, anyway - everyone is of course different. You've made a lot of good points. I'd still like to try the idea out though, no matter if it is a big crashing disaster, at least it'll be one we're bound to learn from. I really hope you'll join us as I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that all us bananafishes have already earned a lot of respect for you. Camille Scaysbrook verona_beach@geocities.com THE ARTS HOLE @ http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/6442