Subject: RE: Reference to JDS by Paul Thomas Anderson
From: midge immington (midgeimmington@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed May 08 2002 - 17:27:46 EDT
Hi Micaela!
As you surely recall in Hapworth 16, 1924, Seymour
complains to his parents about his name. At times,
I've done my own share of complaining to Mr. & Mrs.
Immington. Parents--what are you going to do? Gotta
love 'em.
Bye!
Midge
--- Micaela <mbombard@middlebury.edu> wrote:
> Wow, I didn't realize that your real name was Midge
> Immington. I thought it
> was because you liked Hapworth. Interesting.
>
> -m
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> Subject: RE: Reference to JDS by Paul Thomas
> Anderson
>
>
> Hi Bananafish!
>
> I don't know if I completely understand the schism
> between the Catcher readers and the Glass readers.
> (Though Robbie sheds a whole lot of light on it.
> Nice
> post.) I'm not sure if the chronology of
> reading--and
> what age when--Salinger makes a difference. Thanks
> to
> my parents, I started with Catcher and followed the
> publication dates of the 4 books, and then went onto
> the uncollected stories. In looking back from the
> ancient age of 20, the stories seem a natural
> progression, and my enjoyment of them doesn't
> exclude
> others. (Recently, I reread Seymour an Introducation
> and was awed. Ironically, the only major story I
> don't really like is Hapworth 16, 1924--what with my
> name and all. How weird to end up loving one's
> parent's alltime favorite writer! At least I can't
> stand their 60s music! I'm rambling but I guess I'm
> trying to say that Salinger's work seems seamless to
> me, especially when blending in the uncollected
> stories. The later stories don't eclipse the
> earlier;
> nor, as some critics say, was Salinger washed up
> after
> 1951. (And thanks, Will, for that vote of confidence
> in the other thread!)
>
> Bye!
> Midge
>
> --- "L. Manning Vines" <lmanningvines@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Micaela said:
> > << That said, I must admit that most people I
> have
> > met who strongly
> > identify with Catcher, do not identify with F&Z,
> et
> > al. Furthermore,
> > those who do identify more with F&Z are often more
> > intelligent
> > (again, in reference to my own experience only).
> >>
> >
> > I identify with Franny and Zooey, although I must
> > admit, I identified with
> > them much more when I was in the middle of high
> > school and was, by my own
> > admission, rather angsty and self-absorbed. I
> still
> > enjoy reading their
> > stories but in a very different way. I am more
> > interested in reading a book
> > that can show me things about myself AND those
> > sophomoric minds, as you
> > called them. I can read and even enjoy a book
> about
> > a few freaks, but --
> > even if I'm a freak just like them -- the
> > understanding that they are not at
> > all like most people, that questions about them
> are
> > largely irrelvent to
> > most people and their condition, forces me to see
> a
> > profoundly different
> > weight in it.
> >
> > Franny and Zooey are both beautiful. And, of
> > course, geniuses. Her eyes
> > are set slightly wider apart than his, as a
> sister's
> > eyes should be. He has
> > the uncanny ability to remember, almost verbatim,
> > every thing he has ever
> > read. I'm paraphrasing the book, but my point is
> > that these people are
> > preposterous idealizations. They are fantasies.
> > The freakish among us
> > might see something of ourselves in them, but in
> > some way they do not --
> > indeed cannot -- exist.
> >
> > I like the stories. I enjoy reading them. I'll
> > even say that I've learned
> > things from them. But literature has the capacity
> > to show us things about
> > our common humanity -- I think that Holden does
> > this, and that Zooey does
> > not. This is not to say that Zooey is worthless
> as
> > a character or a story.
> > But to my estimation, the worth he and his story
> > have is not in the same
> > ballpark as Holden and his.
> >
> > -robbie
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