Re: a little JDS

jim, thanks for your post. if this is what daniel
means, i don't agree. but i'll let him reply first
before i comment.

how's the reading of 'the toy' going?

kim

--- James Rovira <jrovira@drew.edu> wrote:
> I think the "apple bin" here represents "discursive
> reason" of sorts. I
> think he's making reference to Teddy calling us all
> a bunch of "apple
> eaters," who misunderstands the tree in Genesis 2 to
> be the tree of
> "knowledge" (in a rational sense) rather than the
> "knowledge of good and
> evil" (in a moral sense).
>
> Rilke then was an irrationalist influence on
> Seymour, according to
> Daniel, and once Seymour had succumbed to it he
> couldn't stand the
> situation. He was unable to pick the apples up
> again (couldn't recover
> reason), but couldn't stand to watch them all roll
> away (couldn't live
> without it), so he killed himself. Buddy, on the
> other hand, has no
> problem losing his apples.
>
> Sounds plausible. It'd be really interesting to see
> Daniel support his
> ideas with evidence from the stories rather than
> just make assertions --
> that'd be a good discussion. I think it'd be tough
> because Rilke is
> praised but not really interacted with much, and
> it's not that clear to
> me that Rilke would be that strong an influence
> toward irrationality --
> but you never know what's there till you look or
> have been shown.
>
> Jim
>
> Kim Johnson wrote:
>
> >daniel, i don't exactly understand what is meant by
> >rilke kicking out the leg of seymour's apple bin.
> >that rilke , or seymour's engagement with r.'s
> work,
> >contributed to seymour committing suicide? (that
> r.
> >was on s.'s mind because of the question to
> muriel?)
> >
> >please amplify, and then i perhaps can dither on
> about
> >rilke and/or seymour....
> >
> >kim
> >
> >
> >--- Yocum Daniel GS 21 CES/CEOE
> ><daniel.yocum@Peterson.af.mil> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Our posts intersect and we stand at the
> crossroads,
> >>maybe we can do some
> >>soul business. The mystsic Rilke (that German
> Poet
> >>more precisly) kicked
> >>the leg out from Seymour's apple bin and apples
> fell
> >>every which way. Even
> >>Seymour's 'extrodinaireness' didn't equip him with
> >>picking them all back up
> >>but he couldn't just stand there and watch them
> all
> >>roll away either. Buddy
> >>on the other hand leaves a trail of lost apples
> >>everywhere he goes.
> >>Hopefully none of the rest of the Glasses will
> slip
> >>on the peels. Kafka on
> >>the other hand reveled in scattered apples and
> >>particularly bruised
> >>scattered apples with worms. That last one was
> for
> >>you John O.
> >>Daniel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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