A truly creative artist will master the standards, rules, and motifs of his medium before he goes about challenging them. That's what sets him apart from all the 4 year old finger-painters and keyboard-bangers. Roughly the same idea as below, I think, although with the artist, the result is creativity, whereas with Buddhism, it's 'enlightenment'. -Sean P.S. Oh alright, I give up. What does "picking up fag- ends" mean? -----Original Message----- From: Alex Rumford [mailto:RumAJF-U@hhs.bham.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 4:53 AM To: bananafish@lists.nyu.edu Subject: apples i was under the impression you could participate in 'both'. The point is , you have to eat the 'apples' (logic, knowledge) and then transcend this logic, because it gets in the way of enlightenment etc. why assume that just because you eat the apples, you cant have the pudding? after all, until the age of, what, 16, you're force fed apples every day. why else dyou think it is that the glass kids are so damn intelligent? or de daumier is so talented? or am i just picking up fag- ends?...