Re: wise kids

jordie chambers (jordiekc@rocketmail.com)
Sun, 23 May 1999 23:52:53 -0700 (PDT) 

I don't limit myself to any wines, which, for a drunk to
say now, might seem ridiculous.  I'll go to the liquor
store and take any type that seems interesting or by one
suggested by a friend.  To take the analogy further, I'll
read works suggested top me, whether by wieners or by sure
geniuses, like Joyce's Ulysses, or Dostoevsky's works. 
I'll readf them and either be overwhlemed or bored, like I
was in Lawrence's Kangaroo.  It's a flavour.  Maybe I
won't get all of what they're saying, but I'll get most of
it.  The rest of the grunt work is up to the critics and
experienced readers and highly sensitive readers. 
Personally, I hardly care.  I crave, for the first time,
that I could gfo back in a time machine and read Catcher
in the Rye and feel the same inncoence of character.  J
Salinger, in my opinion, made it so accessible because it
represented the general situation of most teenagers at his
time, and niftily, in our time.  I will always love
Holden.  I don't have a point, but my fingers siad this
and my hand will click send just because it feels good.




---Thor Cameron <my_colours@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jordie:
> thanks for the post.  I'll quit nit-picking now.
> 
> Oh, one more thing about smart kids.  I think we all
know or have known a 
> child like Teddy, well, maybe not THAT hip, but you know
what I mean.  
> Anyway, the cool thing about sharp kids and wise kids is
that they are just 
> as rare as hip adults.  Like Rumi's poem, "The Many
Wines", I've come to the 
> conclusion that I need to be careful whose wines I
drink.  My life is too 
> short to spend on Chardonays or woody merlots when I
realize that the White 
> Zinfandels are where I am home.  I can't hold race, age,
religion, 
> sexuality, or any other silly factors stand in my way. 
When I see "family", 
> I need to recognize them as one of my own and rejoice in
finding them.
> If you're interested in The Many Wines, I'll post it. 
Otherwise, I STRONGLY 
> urge you all to seek out Rumi in your nearest library or
bookstore.  13th 
> Century poet.
> 
> Thor
> 
> >Hi all, this is interesting.  I haven't read Hapworth,
but
> >I know about intelligence.  My brother was born a genius,
> >though I'm simply average.  I went to the same
engineering
> >school as my brother did.  I ask for his advice and he'll
> >give me more options than I would have thought of at
first
> >glance.  He says that if they had twice as long to write
> >an IQ test, they would surely score in the genius range.
> >Things an IQ test will not measure are creativity,
memory,
> >musical ability, artistic ability and capability of love.
> >There is so much more to an individual than intelligence,
> >but to define intelligence:  the tool used by all
> >individuals to create ideas using logical reasoning and
> >comparisons to knowledge.  Intelligent people don't
> >necessarily have a harder time adjusting to the suffering
> >in life than dumber people, at least not because they can
> >accrue so much information at a younger age than most.
> >All adjustments are up to the individual, and strength of
> >character is ten times the reason why successful people
> >and historic icons are so amazing to us.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---Thor Cameron <my_colours@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, Camille, you've changed the subject.  You're
> >equating wise with smart.
> > > The concept was not "are there wise or old souls in
some
> >children"; the
> > > statement was made that a man's small children WERE
> >smater than him.
> > > I bow to your definition of wisdom and its appropriate
> >assignation to
> > > certain children, yet I stand by my statement that
> >"smart" denotes
> > > accumulation of information & ability to use it. 
C'mon,
> >get real, a child
> > > hitting his best frind because HE got the green glass,
> >or shoving a bean up
> > > his nose, or.... etc.  How "smart" is that?
> > > Thor
> > >
> > >
> > > >Thor wrote:
> > > > > Be serious.  CAPABLE of being smarter, yes. 
CAPABLE
> >of learning more,
> > > > > faster, yes.  But smarter denotes accumulation of
> >information & ability
> > > >to
> > > > > use it.
> > > >
> > > >Well, I guess that drives a stake between your
opinion
> >on intelligence and
> > > >mine (and MW's). If intelligence is how many dates of
> >famous battles you
> > > >can recite off by heart, how many times tables you
can
> >regurgitate, how
> > > >many A's you can get on your report card - then
> >obviously the person who
> > > >has lived longer has the more information at his or
her
> >disposal. However,
> > > >true wisdom - that is, the state of being Wise (heck,
> >`It's a Wise Child'!)
> > > >is something that I believe certain people are born
> >with, an intangible
> > > >which cannot be eroded or changed from birth but just
> >covered or uncovered.
> > > >I think this is the sort of intelligence Salinger
> >intended us to believe
> > > >Seymour has - however, the innate difficulty in
> >portraying such a hazy
> > > >value seems to have led him to plump for a more
> >`worldly' wiseness for
> > > >Seymour.
> > > >
> > > >Camille
> > > >verona_beach@geocities.com
> > > >@ THE ARTS HOLE
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> > > >@ THE INVERTED FOREST
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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