In a message dated 98-11-05 03:22:21 EST, you write: << what did your face look like before your anscestors were born" I heard this one as `What was your original face, before the one your parents gave you?' which means something totally different to me somehow. It just occured to me that it's not a bad koan to contemplate in reference to `The Laughing Man' >> Hmm. That's interesting,... implying your original face was independant of anscestors is different than the other sort of... wow, cool...