Re: rare salinger stories rejected...

I think compassion, in the context in which we're talking about it, is
"dispassionate," though. It's not intensely emotional -- feelings are a sign
that you haven't fully "gotten" it. I'm not sure that the word "love"
necessarily requires an emotional attachment (there's agape, which most say is
not necessarily emotional), but it does seem to be different from Buddhist
compassion (although they sound a lot alike sometimes). I think love requires
an absolute division between two selves so they can "bond" in some way.
Compassion in this context, I think, recognizes that there really are no two
selves.

Jim

Yocum Daniel GS 21 CES/CEOE wrote:

> compassion is great but only works if there is another to recieve it. The
> proximity issue is interesting. Like dancing it is essential to come
> together (proximity) but also to move or be apart. Why have compassion? For
> love's sake. Love as I understand it is to subject or submit the self to
> someone else (or for the materialist something) but without the self to
> subject willfully to another self love is overthrown and reverts to greeting
> card sentimentallity. Viva la Id that can relate, giving and recieving,
> praising and being praised. Now the door is open for guile but I'll risk
> it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Rovira
>
> True, there's no "relationship," but there is still "compassion" in the
> sense of
> an awareness of your ultimate unity with everything out there...and without
> physical proximity there's no compassion...
>
> Jim
>
> Yocum Daniel wrote:
>
> > exactly, dissolution removes boundaries destroying Id (a term a budhist
> > coworker uses alot) so with seperate ID's there is no relationship. Maybe
> > my mathmetics training overly influences me but self interacting with self
> > is not a relationship as far as I understand the word relationship.
> > Everything that I have found to be beautiful, inspiring(poetically), etc
> has
> > been about relationships. Like dancing moving together and apart. If
> > you're a drop in the bucket you have dissolution and no dance. I guess
> why
> > I bring this topic up is that when I introduced myself I said that JDS's
> > work fascinated but I wasn't sure, I think I know now.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Rovira
> >
> > Salinger's take on Zen seems to emphasize detachment, but I never really
> > understood detachment in the few buddhist texts I've read to really mean
> > physical isolation -- it seemed more like your attitude toward the things
> > around
> > you, not their physical proximity to you. I think the dissolution of the
> > boundaries of the self is the ultimate goal.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Yocum Daniel wrote:
> >
> > > If life's about relationships (which I do believe) then JDS has been in
> a
> > > quasi death (as far as his self imposed isolation goes). Like the movie
> > > castaway (I'm not a big fan) the only one who will miss you is Wilson,
> is
> > > that maia? Am I miscomprehending Zen Budhism but isn't the isolation of
> > the
> > > Id/self or whatever the goal? I play Kendo, and so am a little familiar
> > > with Zen Budhism but I enjoy it most when I am not playing alone nor as
> a
> > > drop in the ocean.
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