> `... Sorry, but you're not really in a position to judge > the motives people have for holding to certain beliefs unless > you share those beliefs yourself. I mean, couldn't your criticism > here be viewed as a bit smug and self-righteous? ...' Well ... put it this way. There are marriage counsellors out there who've never been married. Then again in the Russian Orthodox church a marriage counsellor *must* be married ... I guess what I'm trying to say is what I said before - there are two ways to view religion, and in this case I think we should view it academically. For example, I would never agree with something like female circumcision which has bases in religion, and that judgement would have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not I was that religion. In some ways, it's actually easier to view a religion objectively from outside of it. As I always say, I never met a goldfish who could draw a goldfish bowl. Camille verona_beach@geocities.com @ THE ARTS HOLE www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/6442 @ THE INVERTED FOREST www.angelfire.com/pa/invertedforest