<<Hey, I guess that it's typical for a man to say that kind of thing of a woman who stood up for what she believed. Historically women who are very independant like Ayn Rand end up having that kind of image while men who do the same thing are looked up to with respect. -Liz Friedman>> No, actually, I said that based upon my observation of the interaction between the male and female characters in Anthem :) If Rand presented a strong woman in that novel, I don't think I could have made that comment. As it was, the woman was pretty spineless compared to the male character. <<... or to put it another way, just because you don't like Ayn Rand doesn't mean that everyone else isn't allowed to either. I personally am not a huge Rand fan - in fact, quite the opposite - but I would certainly not begrudge anyone their own opinion if it is in any way linked to a discussion of JD Salinger. Think how angry everyone would be if you had substituted Ayn Rand for say, Catholicism! Camille>> Now, I think you see where I'm coming from. It's not that I don't like Ayn Rand, or even that I disagree completely with her ethical egotism, but that I was making an informed judgment based on a book of hers I had read. Now, if you were REALLY paying attention, you should have blasted me for reasoning from text to author :) Then my only recourse would have been to say I was commenting on the model author (in Umberto Eco's sense) and that my observations could still be supported from the text. BUT, this one wins out over all... <<liz--three words: tongue in cheek--matt>> See, what I said was the WORST POSSIBLE THING, and the MOST SELF CONTRADICTORY, about the woman who gave the world ethical egoism :) And I knew it. Jim ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]