Re: Seymour: A Continuation

AntiUtopia@aol.com
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:25:51 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 10/11/99 2:35:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
citycabn@gateway.net writes:

<< 
 Jim,
 I personally don't think JDS painted himself into a corner.  Think the
 critics, etc. alight on S.'s suicide and tried to beat JDS over the head
 with it along the lines of how can S. be so great if he committed suicide.
 To my  mind, JDS/Buddy tells us why S. committed suicide in SAI.  The entire
 prelude is about this.  And ends with the section re the cororner's report,
 whether it is consumption, loneliness or suicide:
 
 "isn't it plain how the true artist-seer actually dies?  I say (and
 everything that follows in these pages all too possibly stands or falls on
 my being at least *nearly* right)--I say that the true  artist-seer, the
 heavenly fool who can and does produce beauty, is mainly dazzled to death by
 his own scruples, the blinding shapes and colors of his own sacred human
 conscience." >>

hmm...then I'm not sure I understood the following paragraphs:

<<Certainly S. exists.  He exists in the books, and in the minds and hearts of
faithful Glass readers.  I suggest not to overemphasize the suicide.  JDS
has to deal with the suicide *because* that is where he started in '48.
Seymour, as Seymour presented in '55 to '65, did not  yet exist.  But since
he has, so to speak, painted himself in a corner from the outset,  given the
fact of S.'s suicide, JDS does have to go back to it.  The entire prelude to
SAI is an attempt to "correct" the status of the suicide in his readers'
minds. Someone commits suicide in the West and everyone is up in arms,
feeling  it negates the person's entire life. --Bruce>>

See, here it seems like you're saying JDS has to go back to Seymour's suicide 
to defend Seymour against the "little mindedness" of western critics who 
think that Seymour isn't that great for committing suicide -- and in This way 
Salinger painted himself into a corner.  

So while you are saying essentially the same thing now that you did in the 
earlier post, you did say in the earlier post that Salinger painted himself 
into a corner with Seymour's suicide.  

But the problem I think with the ideas presented is that you marginalize the 
death, when I think it is indeed central to Salinger thematically.

The following paragraphs are from that original post too:

<<So Hapworth could be
>justified perhaps as part of Buddy's attempt to unravel the origins of
>whatever led Seymour to suicide. --Camille

Seymour himself mentions in the letter that  he won't live longer than a
well-preserved telephone pole.  It ain't a big deal.  Hapworth, I'll say it
again, is to show the reader that Seymour grew, developed, and became the
Seymour of the poems, parables, and anecdotes.  I imagine Christ Himself or
Buddha weren't great shakes at seven, and their Hapworth letters would be
flawed, too. -- Bruce>>

I don't think anyone's saying the Hapworth letters are flawed.  My problem is 
that they're not flawed enough.  Too much light and brilliance for a seven 
year old.  Too mature a prose style, too well read, too too much of 
everything **good**.

Jim