RE: self reflection/discretion is the better part of valor


Subject: RE: self reflection/discretion is the better part of valor
ZazieZazie@hetnet.nl
Date: Mon Sep 17 2001 - 02:37:21 GMT


--- ZazieZazie@hetnet.nl wrote:
> While there may be some thruth to this, Andy, there is the same double
> standard right there: Blacks and Muslims cannot use force, only rich
> white westerners can.

>>Cecilia wrote (so passionately ...)
>>Oh, for chrissakes.

All right, for chrissakes. On the one hand i can understand your apparent frustration at my remark.

>>Andy's point was that in the American Civil Rights movement, the
>>peaceful protestors made their point by staying peaceful in the face of
>>violence. Was the violence ever acceptable? No. Not ever. But they
>>won by fighting with not-fighting.

hmm. they certainly won something, although I hear about an Indian gaspumpholder being shot in the back
with a shotgun, because the shooter thought he was muslim, i wonder how much ...
Okay, okay they won a lot.
MY POINT however, was that, even if i put it weakly, that apparently, violence is the best way to achieve things, power and wealth
and that peacefull protest only worked with Gandhi, ML King and when my mom is mad at my dad.
I know some African students and they tell me that peaceful protest used to be
a good instrument but that now it's reputation has reached mythical proportions, whatever that means.

>>Americans don't understand the why of the violent culture because we
>>don't live it. Violence begets violence, which is why we avoid it at
>>all costs. However, now it has begun.

Surely, you were joking when you wrote this??????

Z.
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