On a lighter note...
Lauren N Passot (madbravo@juno.com)
Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:52:01 -0500
I love the "go-to-bed-you-silly-silly-man" truthfully I don't know why
but it keeps making me laugh.
Best,
Lauren
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On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:17:28 -0400 (EDT) jrovira@juno.com (J J R) writes:
><<this is no doubt all over the place, making little sense and i am
>exhausted, in that just-finished-franny-and-zooey way and also in
>that go-to-bed-you-silly-silly-man way and i apologise. think of it as
>
>a smiling and enthusiastic monologue by a distant relative.
>
>
>and a good night to you all . . .
>
>
>craig king>>
>
>eh, GOD that was a good post, Craig :).
>
>Now, I have some thoughts on Franny and Zooey and Christ that's been
>bumping around in my head that does, indeed, connect with you saying,
>"it wasn't God, it was Us all along?" And about Salinger's texts and
>the beliefs expressed through them and how all that fits in.
>
>I think the spirituality underlying the Salinger fiction I've read is
>of an Eastern variety. A Christian reading F and Z, and getting to
>that line where the "fat lady" is Christ, well, will immediately think
>of, "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto
>me" -- out of Matthew. For a Christian this would speak of Christ's
>identification with His people, and how we are to love Him by loving
>those around us. And he or she wouldn't be wrong. But approaching
>this through an eastern construct, well, you get something entirely
>different. Not entirely, I guess, but the same thing in an entirely
>different light :)
>
>Now, by "eastern" I'm speaking of the Vedas, really, and beliefs
>influenced by them. Esp. the Upanishads. The chief revelation for a
>human being to attain within the context of the Upanishads is to
>realize that "I am God and God is me." That there is no difference
>between the individual and the Divine--between anything and the
>Divine. That God is the ground of all being and the underlying
>substance of everything. And that, therefore, all differences are
>moot--are illusory, in fact.
>
>On an aside, when those holding to Eastern frames of thought approach
>the teachings of Christ and His claim to divinity, they of course see
>the same thing. When people approach the teachings of Christ and his
>claims within the context of monotheism (the context within which he
>spoke), then you get Christian doctrine. How you interpret those
>teachings depend upon the presuppositions you hold prior to reading
>the texts, what you already believe is true. I won't argue for one
>side or the other here and now, although I could.
>
>But, at any rate, you read that last statement in Franny and Zooey
>within an eastern construct and you see that yes, the Fat Lady was
>Christ. On a more personal level, therefore, that Yes, Franny, you do
>serve your ideals by serving those who seem to live up to them the
>least. That yes, Franny, you yourself are something pretty special
>too, even though you see your own hypocrisy more clearly than ever, as
>well as the hypocrisy of others. And that yes, Franny, everyone is a
>hypocrite. But they are all Christ too.
>
>So when you please people, serve them, in this sick, false,
>hypocritical world, you aren't compromising. You're serving the
>highest goals.
>
>That's what makes your statements really interesting. I think, within
>the context of the spirituality underlying Salinger's work, that when
>we say, "wait, it was us all along," that is true. It was us AND it
>was God, because there is no difference between the two.
>
>Jim
>
>
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