On a lighter note...

Lauren N Passot (madbravo@juno.com)
Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:52:01 -0500

I love the "go-to-bed-you-silly-silly-man" truthfully I don't know why
but it keeps making me laugh.

Best,
Lauren
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On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:17:28 -0400 (EDT) jrovira@juno.com (J J R) writes:
><<this is no doubt all over the place, making little sense and i am 
>exhausted, in that just-finished-franny-and-zooey way and also in 
>that go-to-bed-you-silly-silly-man way and i apologise. think of it as 
>
>a smiling and enthusiastic monologue by a distant relative.
>
>
>and a good night to you all . . .
>
>
>craig king>>
>
>eh, GOD that was a good post, Craig :).  
>
>Now, I have some thoughts on Franny and Zooey and Christ that's been 
>bumping around in my head that does, indeed, connect with you saying, 
>"it wasn't God, it was Us all along?"  And about Salinger's texts and 
>the beliefs expressed through them and how all that fits in.
>
>I think the spirituality underlying the Salinger fiction I've read is 
>of an Eastern variety.  A Christian reading F and Z, and getting to 
>that line where the "fat lady" is Christ, well, will immediately think 
>of, "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto 
>me" -- out of Matthew.  For a Christian this would speak of Christ's 
>identification with His people, and how we are to love Him by loving 
>those around us.   And he or she wouldn't be wrong.  But approaching 
>this through an eastern construct, well, you get something entirely 
>different.  Not entirely, I guess, but the same thing in an entirely 
>different light :)
>
>Now, by "eastern" I'm speaking of the Vedas, really, and beliefs 
>influenced by them.  Esp. the Upanishads.  The chief revelation for a 
>human being to attain within the context of the Upanishads is to 
>realize that "I am God and God is me."   That there is no difference 
>between the individual and the Divine--between anything and the 
>Divine. That God is the ground of all being and the underlying 
>substance of everything.  And that, therefore, all differences are 
>moot--are illusory, in fact.  
>
>On an aside, when those holding to Eastern frames of thought approach 
>the teachings of Christ and His claim to divinity, they of course see 
>the same thing.  When people approach the teachings of Christ and his 
>claims within the context of monotheism (the context within which he 
>spoke), then you get Christian doctrine.  How you interpret those 
>teachings depend upon the presuppositions you hold prior to reading 
>the texts, what you already believe is true.  I won't argue for one 
>side or the other here and now, although I could.
>
>But, at any rate, you read that last statement in Franny and Zooey 
>within an eastern construct and you see that yes, the Fat Lady was 
>Christ.  On a more personal level, therefore, that Yes, Franny, you do 
>serve your ideals by serving those who seem to live up to them the 
>least.  That yes, Franny, you yourself are something pretty special 
>too, even though you see your own hypocrisy more clearly than ever, as 
>well as the hypocrisy of others.  And that yes, Franny, everyone is a 
>hypocrite.  But they are all Christ too.
>
>So when you please people, serve them, in this sick, false, 
>hypocritical world, you aren't compromising.  You're serving the 
>highest goals.
>
>That's what makes your statements really interesting.  I think, within 
>the context of the spirituality underlying Salinger's work, that when 
>we say, "wait, it was us all along," that is true.  It was us AND it 
>was God, because there is no difference between the two.
>
>Jim
>
> 
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