From oconnort@panix.com Tue Jun 8 22:34:05 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i592Y5822764 for bananafish-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:34:05 -0400 (EDT) X400-Received: by mta Salem-MTA1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=or.gov/; Relayed; 08 Jun 2004 08:24:49 -0700 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=or.gov/; Relayed; 08 Jun 2004 08:24:49 -0700 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=or.gov/; 40C5DA3C.CC38.7240.000] Content-Identifier: 0608240C5DA4101F Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Michael.J.Anello@state.or.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <40C5DA3C.CC38.7240.000*/c=us/admd=/prmd=or.gov/o=HR/ou=gwise/s=Anello/g=Michael/i=J/@MHS> Date: 08 Jun 2004 08:24:49 -0700 From: ANELLO Michael J To: bananafish@roughdraft.org (IPM Return requested) (Receipt notification requested) Subject: where is everyone? Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org daniel, send me an e-mail. got a present for ya. -mike - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 14 21:38:36 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5F1ca814812 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01c4504b$7c3a95c0$2da57dc2@j8l6n9> From: "Scottie Bowman" To: Subject: ou sont les neiges d'antan? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:03:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Bananafish, like all other lists, has certainly gone through its arid periods. This, though, feels like one of the longest & driest. It can't be that we've finally drained Salinger of the last drop of juice; we came to that point long ago. Perhaps it's that glazed look in Tim's preoccupied eyes? For myself, I blame the spam. When I scan my mailwasher nowadays there are usually no more than one, maybe two, familiar names in the avalanche of dross. Dispiriting. What one looked forward to reading has itself been tainted by the general squalidness. My Marxist friends couldn't understand at first why the streets of Eastern Europe felt so much more congenial than those of America. Could it be, they wondered, the reassuring presence of all those statues of Stalin? Or the ubiquity of those helpful Stasis? No. Of course. It was the blessed absence of advertising hoardings. Is that the explanation here too? Is Western free enterprise bringing about its own demise? Or, with the publication of the photographs, have our own personal mystiques been dissipated utterly by the grim reality? Scottie B. - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 14 21:38:36 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5F1caq14811 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040610182319.76509.qmail@web60904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: City Cabin Subject: "Skule Skerry" To: bananafish@roughdraft.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Silly me. For thirty-four years, I have thought "Skule Skerry" and John Buchan and the quoted material about the curlew sandpiper at the very outset of "Seymour--an Introduction" were simply the imaginings of Buddy Glass. A fiction to get his own story going. Why, I now ask myself, did I never try to research John Buchan until last week? (I can see Scottie sadly shaking his head: yet another very ignorant American.) Buchan was born in 1875 (oddly enough, the same birthyear as that only great poet of the century [20th]). In 1928, he published the short story "Skule Skerry." Near the end of it, the ornithological genius says: "I might take to poetry or theosophy...." Thirteen years earlier, Buchan wrote a mystery titled, "The Thirty-nine Steps." Hitchcock's film of it, of course, is the favorite film of a little girl named Phoebe Caulfield. For further information regarding Buchan, go to: http://www.johnbuchansociety.co.uk/ I might add, "Skule Skerry" is included in the following in-print book: http://secure.grantbooks.com/z-author-buchan-john.html Silly, silly me. --Bruce __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 14 21:38:37 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5F1cbY14818 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tim O'Connor" To: bananafish Subject: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:20:02 -0400 Message-Id: <20040615012002.27097@mail.panix.com> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 4.2.1 us Carbon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Hi, all. I have had a couple of inquiries from people about whether this mailing list is dead. It's not. Its bills are paid up. It is simply ... in hibernation, I guess. I can't exactly COMPEL people to send messages here, now can I? And if I engage in too many monologues, you will all have to feel free to step in and force me out of the spotlight. I don't know why I even write messages like this, given that I share, with Holden, a predilection for lying about things large and small. To toss out a topic that you can discuss among yourselves, I recently went by train all the way down the east coast of the U.S., en route to Seymourville, Florida. And in so doing, I managed to meet at least one subscriber to this list and to ride forthwith in his chariot. I had lunch near, but did not lie upon, the sand, neither in nor out of a terrycloth robe, and did not enter the premises of a swank hotel to accuse a bewildered woman of staring at my feet. I also left my gun home. (But talk of guns is in another country, and besides, the gun is dead.) I did get to discover that at least one of our subscribers is indeed alive and driving in style. I was treated to a top-down ride that rivaled Sgt. X's ride with Clay, who drove his jeep combat-style. Then I travelled around like old Woody Guthrie on the rails (um, except that I paid the railroad for the privilege), but regrettably did not meet up with any other Bananafish-people in the various states in which I stopped. Where did I stop? In order of memorability: North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, and Orlando. Yes indeed, take Amtrak, pay more than you pay to fly, and then get to see a lot of the country as one's train either breaks down or experiences Kafkaesque delays. Last weekend, when my travels were done, we held an emergency Bananafish pow-wow in Brooklyn. Part of the motivation was to verify for ourselves that this list still really exists. And partly (as a cabal) we walked through one of the nicest cemeteries around, to pay a respectful visit to an occupant. If you are interested in historic spots, have a look here, and you may see Bananafish amidst the trees: (That hyphen in the name is mandatory.) I'm hoping to add a couple of additional pictures to our rogues' gallery as time (and technology) permit. One picture came in as ... a picture! On paper! A delightful picture, for that matter. So, this helps push me in the direction of getting my poor old and wheezing scanner to work once more. There is also something of a pen-and-ink rendering of someone else. Anyone else have fine portraits to offer? Are we going to be a modest bunch, dear friends? If you want to reconsider, digital is best, in that it is most likely to get onto the site quickly; however, if you don't have a digital picture, send something else! The only media I must decline with regrets are transparencies (a/k/a slides) or any kinds of negatives. I would love to be able to accept them, but absolutely cannot afford the most modest film scanner that would properly render a negative or a slide. Even more, I think it is a very bad idea to trust a unique object like a transparency or a negative to the vagaries of postal service. * * * And so, a couple of questions that may set the pot churning: If you are out of school by now, what are you reading for the summer? If you have a required reading list, what's on it? Or if, long ago, you had a summer reading list, what do you recall of it? Me, I am reading, in no particular order (and this is not an exhaustive list): The Bush Dyslexicon, by Mark Crispin Miller. The Letters of Virginia Woolf (on Vol. 1 now). more Diaries of Virginia Woolf (up to Vol. 2). See Through, stories by Nellie Reifler. Like Life, stories by Lorrie Moore (I Lorrie Moore). Kissing in Manhattan, stories by David Schickler (for about the 10th time) Two boring, generic books about computer security. And, as an invaluable travel companion, the gigundo edition of the complete Sherlock Holmes stories and novels. Almost last, but certainly not least, a welcome donation from another coast: "Skule Skerry," by John Buchan (cf. Seymour, An Introduction) Finally, as they emerge, I am enjoying some thoughts on teaching and writing by a very fine writer and teacher named Holly Pappas, whose meditations on the subjects of writing, teaching, and teaching of writing, are here: Currently, I am determinedly NOT reading: Ulysses. I figure that this week, at least, it is safe to set it aside so the rest of the world can (fail to?) read it, as hordes descend upon Dublin for the anniversary. In fact, I suspect that should Scottie look out his window this very moment, he would see a horde seeking the Gaeltacht territories. Oh, and for anyone really interested in June 16, 1904, I would be happy to privately share with you a facsimile of that day's (Dublin) Daily Telegraph ... more or less the newspaper Leopold Bloom carried with him on his rounds. It's quite large (almost 500K) but is a complete PDF file, and travels quite handily. Even the tiniest agate type is readable. I remain, as always, your faithful superintendent, --tim oh!connor - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 14 21:43:21 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5F1hLx15085 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tim O'Connor" To: bananafish Subject: Clarifications about BananaFEESH mail Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:42:53 -0400 Message-Id: <20040615014253.31430@mail.panix.com> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 4.2.1 us Carbon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Hmmmm. My apologies for having described the list as inactive. When I went through the 50+ spam messages in the queue (Scottie is quite right that my eyes glaze over), I discovered two other messages aside from my own. My apologies to their authors for the delay in posting. Just too many other things going on, including my own personal backlog of 5,000 "marked as spam" messages that I must wade through, in case there is something good in there aside from the endless offers to fix credit, fix what I believe JDS called "our poor little sexual organs" (decades before there was email spam), and offer access to virtually every pharmaceutical aside from Quaaludes. And as far as I know, there might be Quaaludes offered as well, though I haven't seen any. --tim - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Tue Jun 15 14:21:48 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5FILma02537 for bananafish-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200406151730.i5FHU34G009067@theseus.peterson.af.mil> From: Yocum Daniel R Civ 21 CES/CEOE To: "'bananafish@roughdraft.org'" Subject: RE: ou sont les neiges d'antan? Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:28:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org The Jornado del Muerto Scottie. Just turn loose a little dog, he will lead us to the nearest muddy watering hole. Like the spitting camel, you must develop a knack for surviving without water for long periods, setting up the still to extract what you can from those lumps of spam. Come now Scottie, one man's squalidness is another man's warehouse. Imagine all those future net published gems turning on a neat spam induced play of words. Less congenial streets? Oh, you must mean New York City. I spent a bit of time on several hundreds of miles of streets these past few days and not one blurb to spoil it. The Key is to concentrate that sort of congeniality in that fabled Shangri-La, like fly paper it keeps those little buggers off the water melon. Personally, ever since I saw your pic I have been deleting your posts with the rest of the Spam. That dam "ou sont les neiges d'antan?" fooled me this one time. Grim Reality and dissipated personal mystiques? Quite the opposite, horror, the same kind of horror one might experience when you discover a grisly murder scene and discover the culprit to be a 4 year old in her flower printed dress and white patent shoes. Enough to turn a stomach. Daniel Bananafish, like all other lists, has certainly gone through its arid periods. This, though, feels like one of the longest & driest. It can't be that we've finally drained Salinger of the last drop of juice; we came to that point long ago. Perhaps it's that glazed look in Tim's preoccupied eyes? For myself, I blame the spam. When I scan my mailwasher nowadays there are usually no more than one, maybe two, familiar names in the avalanche of dross. Dispiriting. What one looked forward to reading has itself been tainted by the general squalidness. My Marxist friends couldn't understand at first why the streets of Eastern Europe felt so much more congenial than those of America. Could it be, they wondered, the reassuring presence of all those statues of Stalin? Or the ubiquity of those helpful Stasis? No. Of course. It was the blessed absence of advertising hoardings. Is that the explanation here too? Is Western free enterprise bringing about its own demise? Or, with the publication of the photographs, have our own personal mystiques been dissipated utterly by the grim reality? Scottie B. - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Tue Jun 15 14:21:47 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5FILl502526 for bananafish-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40CF202D.4070201@drew.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:13:33 -0400 From: James Rovira User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de, de-at, de-de, fr-fr, es-pr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: Re: ou sont les neiges d'antan? References: <000c01c4504b$7c3a95c0$2da57dc2@j8l6n9> In-Reply-To: <000c01c4504b$7c3a95c0$2da57dc2@j8l6n9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org I enjoyed reading Tim's posts, and Scottie's, and City Cabin's, and now I'm thinking, boy, this list is really active with all this discussion about the inactivity of the list. I think the reasons are different for different people, but I wouldn't be surprised is spam is having a little bit of an affect on everyone, at least. In my case, I'm getting ready to move from PA to FL. I love this move. I will be living five minutes from my children, hopefully, if we can rent the house we want. I'll be working a really nice teaching job that pays decent, has good benefits, provides an office, and leaves me alone once I'm done teaching -- so I can work on my dissertation. It's tailor made for someone in my situation. My wife was just hired to teach High School this weekend. So we're a bit preoccupied and will be for the next month to two months. But for good reason. Jim Scottie Bowman wrote: > Bananafish, like all other lists, has certainly gone > through its arid periods. This, though, feels like > one of the longest & driest. It can't be that we've > finally drained Salinger of the last drop of juice; > we came to that point long ago. Perhaps it's that > glazed look in Tim's preoccupied eyes? > > > - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Tue Jun 15 14:21:47 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5FILlc02532 for bananafish-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40CF284F.4050507@drew.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:48:15 -0400 From: James Rovira User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de, de-at, de-de, fr-fr, es-pr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night) References: <20040615012002.27097@mail.panix.com> In-Reply-To: <20040615012002.27097@mail.panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org I would love a copy of that .pdf, Tim. That's wonderful thing. I'm reading: Umberto Eco: Baudolino. Great book. But I can put it down. Much better than Island of the Day Before. Gottfried Fleidl's _Klimt_. I love this. I haven't read an art book in too, too long. Kierkegaard: The Sickness Unto Death (reading a lot of K these days. It's self imposed required reading for me now.) Kirk, Raven, and Schofield, _The Presocratic Philosophers, 2nd ed_ And our own dear Scottie's _the Toy_ is right there at the tip of my fingers. I want to Really Pay Attention, not just read, and I've been a bit distracted lately, so haven't been willing to pick it back up again. Yet. Jim - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Tue Jun 15 20:52:24 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5G0qOg25959 for bananafish-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:57:21 -0400 From: Omlor@aol.com To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1D0C4254.3C7D92E5.00010341@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 63.240.244.90 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org In case anyone cares, I am typing this from a pay-as-you-go workstation at the Marriot World Central resort complex in Orlando after a full day of theme parking with my nieces where we watched a 9 month old gorilla play with earthworms and finally place them on his head for no apparent reaon and we struggled sympathetically with one very determined naked mole rat as pulled and tugged a piece of letuce larger than himself backwards through a tunnel to his fellow colony members. Then, when we had finished with Africa and Asia and the rest of those strange and distant lands, we headed to DisneyQuest for all sorts of virtual fun, with and without goggles. A grand time is being had by all. And in between moments at the happiest place on earth, I am (still) reading the new translation of Don Quixote. And I watched Lost in La Mancha again just the other day, to go along with it. For any artists out there who think they've ever had things go wrong while they worked... check out what happens to Terry Gilliam as he Quixotically tries to film Quixote. Now it's off to the hotel's sports bar to watch what may very well be the last game of the NBA season while I drink Guinness (tomorrow, you know...) and munch on wings and a burger. Remember, it all started with a mouse, --John - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Tue Jun 15 21:13:40 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5G1DeT26832 for bananafish-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tim O'Connor" To: bananafish Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:12:31 -0400 Message-Id: <20040616011231.8383@mail.panix.com> In-Reply-To: <1D0C4254.3C7D92E5.00010341@aol.com> References: <1D0C4254.3C7D92E5.00010341@aol.com> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 4.2.1 us Carbon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org On Tue, Jun 15, 2004, Omlor@aol.com said: >In case anyone cares, I am typing this from a pay-as-you-go workstation >at the Marriot World Central resort complex in Orlando after a full day >of theme parking with my nieces where we watched a 9 month old gorilla >play with earthworms and finally place them on his head for no apparent >reaon and we struggled sympathetically with one very determined naked >mole rat as pulled and tugged a piece of letuce larger than himself >backwards through a tunnel to his fellow colony members. Then, when we >had finished with Africa and Asia and the rest of those strange and >distant lands, we headed to DisneyQuest for all sorts of virtual fun, >with and without goggles. Awwww, shucks! Was you in O'lando when I passed through recently? It's a shame, but we could have met up. We could have pitched coins upon Uncle Walt's frozen head. We could have lit on fire the tail of Mickey Mouse. Oh, wait. I think Mickey enjoys Secret Service protection (given that Washington has given the mouse-keepers everything ELSE they demanded, I am sure that protection of the mouse is simply the latest perk), so I had best retract that remark so I don't get called something like "you unpatriotic rotten doctor commie rat"! >A grand time is being had by all. Just make sure they don't record your keystrokes to insure a QUALITY experience. >For any artists out there who think they've ever had things go wrong >while they worked... check out what happens to Terry Gilliam as he >Quixotically tries to film Quixote. I limit myself to Quixotic trips commuting to and from work, which is bad enough. >Now it's off to the hotel's sports bar to watch what may very well be the >last game of the NBA season while I drink Guinness (tomorrow, you >know...) and munch on wings and a burger. > >Remember, it all started with a mouse, As the man said: It all started with a mouse, And next thing I know They were seizing my house. Right before I could go, I got left by my spouse. Lord, left by my spouse, Who says I'm a louse on account of that mouse. See you in never-ever-EVER land. --tim - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Wed Jun 16 11:23:33 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5GFNXO28025 for bananafish-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40D06499.40604@drew.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:17:45 -0400 From: James Rovira User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de, de-at, de-de, fr-fr, es-pr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night) References: <1D0C4254.3C7D92E5.00010341@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1D0C4254.3C7D92E5.00010341@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org I loved reading this, John...thanks for posting. My own favorite mouse anecdote: Several years ago, while I was still living in Orlando, I managed to catch "Pinky and the Brain" pretty regularly. One day I turned on the set and Pinky and the Brain were being used as Nasa test subjects. They'd be strapped into one chair then spun around at velocities that made their faces wobble and eyes bug out. Then sat in another and accelerated straight forward at yet another inhuman velocity. And then another, and then another. At one point the Brain turns to Pinky and says, "One day we're going to live in a world where mice rule and humans are subject to such indignities." Pinky said, "Oh, you mean like Orlando?" Jim Omlor@aol.com wrote: >Remember, it all started with a mouse, > >--John > > > > - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Wed Jun 16 18:20:02 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5GMK2g15023 for bananafish-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Omlor@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.43c332c5.2e01fa68@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:32:56 EDT Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night) To: bananafish@roughdraft.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.43c332c5.2e01fa68_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10581 Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org --part1_12d.43c332c5.2e01fa68_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jim, Being a year-round passholder and frequent Disney wanderer (about once every other month or so), I have a million naked stories about the Mouse. Add to that the fact that for a number of years I lived with a woman whose first real job was putting kids into the cars at the Grand Prix ride in Magic Kingdom and who was fascinated by all things Disney -- she got thrown out of the casting office once after her boss threw a stapler at her (or the other way around, I forget) -- and I've heard a million more. Here's my favorite. I know it sounds apocryphal, but it really happened. A good number of years ago, in Magic Kingdom, in the Hall of Presidents, during the show, someone actually SHOT Abraham Lincoln. Really. And, of course, since all those automatons are filled with hydraulic fluid, out poured all this red gooey stuff... Well, they stopped the show immediately and locked all the doors and the Disney police showed up and wouldn't let anyone leave until someone turned in the faux assassin. Then everyone in the room was asked to sign a nondisclosure agreement to prevent them from speaking to the press, and off they all went back out into Frontierland while the Disney cops took the shooter off to Mickey jail (above Main Street) where the Orlando cops could come get him and charge him with something (I'm not sure what, really). Baudrillard would have loved it all. Yes, life there is fascinating, philosophically speaking. And it's good fun, too, when you don't have to see anything and can just wander aimlessly and watch the people. And besides, you can drink your way all around the world at EPCOT, and there's something to be said for that. Just don't ask me about the employee drug scene. As you can tell, I'm home now and just getting ready to unpack my stuff after a fine three days with two young girls who loved it all. And this weekend is the US Open. Life can't get much better (well, it can, I can find 25 extra yards with my driver -- but that's not likely to happen). Enjoy the summer days and nights all, --John PS: Tim, that settles it. We're getting you to the Mouse someday just to see what happens to your system. --part1_12d.43c332c5.2e01fa68_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim,

Being a year-round passholder and frequent Disney wanderer (about once e= very other month or so), I have a million naked stories about the Mouse. &nb= sp;Add to that the fact that for a number of years I lived with a woman whos= e first real job was putting kids into the cars at the Grand Prix ride in Ma= gic Kingdom and who was fascinated by all things Disney  -- she got thr= own out of the casting office once after her boss threw a stapler at her (or= the other way around, I forget) -- and I've heard a million more.

Here's my favorite.  I know it sounds apocryphal, but it really hap= pened.  

A good number of years ago, in Magic Kingdom, in the Hall of Presidents,= during the show, someone actually SHOT Abraham Lincoln.  Really.  = ;And, of course, since all those automatons are filled with hydraulic fluid,= out poured all this red gooey stuff...

Well, they stopped the show immediately and locked all the doors and the= Disney police showed up and wouldn't let anyone leave until someone turned=20= in the faux assassin.  Then everyone in the room was asked to sign a no= ndisclosure agreement to prevent them from speaking to the press, and off th= ey all went back out into Frontierland while the Disney cops took the shoote= r off to Mickey jail (above Main Street) where the Orlando cops could come g= et him and charge him with something (I'm not sure what, really).

Baudrillard would have loved it all.

Yes, life there is fascinating, philosophically speaking.  And it's= good fun, too, when you don't have to see anything and can just wander aiml= essly and watch the people.

And besides, you can drink your way all around the world at EPCOT, and t= here's something to be said for that.

Just don't ask me about the employee drug scene.

As you can tell, I'm home now and just getting ready to unpack my stuff=20= after a fine three days with two young girls who loved it all.

And this weekend is the US Open.

Life can't get much better (well, it can, I can find 25 extra yards with= my driver -- but that's not likely to happen).

Enjoy the summer days and nights all,

--John

PS:  Tim, that settles it.  We're getting you to the Mouse som= eday just to see what happens to your system.






--part1_12d.43c332c5.2e01fa68_boundary-- - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Wed Jun 16 18:20:03 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5GMK3J15029 for bananafish-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040616215039.62255.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Fenning Subject: Happy June 16th! To: bananafish@roughdraft.org In-Reply-To: <200003231509.KAA49860@argos.argoscomp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Mattis, Ed Fenning from back ages ago at Bannafishlist... just writing to wish you a "Happy Bloomsday!!" It's been so long eh? Hope all is well. Are you still subscribing to Banannafish....? Drop me a line when you can. Looking forward to hearing from you. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Wed Jun 16 18:20:02 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5GMK2615024 for bananafish-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200406162032.i5GKW7aI022924@theseus.peterson.af.mil> From: Yocum Daniel R Civ 21 CES/CEOE To: "'bananafish@roughdraft.org'" Subject: RE: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:32:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Does that kill the plans for a hack version of Mickey? You live in New York and run with such interesting company, I'm sure you could find inspiration for your own adorable rat. You could call it The Rotten Commie Rat. Who knows it may fly with a certain segment of the population and you could create a theme park run by the government. I hear the dust bunnies and ghost turds under your bed are in cahoots with Washington too, don't even look in your bedroom closet, all those anxieties scuttling around amongst your shoes have been connected for decades. Daniel Awwww, shucks! Was you in O'lando when I passed through recently? It's a shame, but we could have met up. We could have pitched coins upon Uncle Walt's frozen head. We could have lit on fire the tail of Mickey Mouse. Oh, wait. I think Mickey enjoys Secret Service protection (given that Washington has given the mouse-keepers everything ELSE they demanded, I am sure that protection of the mouse is simply the latest perk), so I had best retract that remark so I don't get called something like "you unpatriotic rotten doctor commie rat"! --tim - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Wed Jun 16 19:09:35 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5GN9Z216587 for bananafish-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tim O'Connor" To: bananafish Subject: RE: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:07:04 -0400 Message-Id: <20040616230704.13731@mail.panix.com> In-Reply-To: <200406162032.i5GKW7aI022924@theseus.peterson.af.mil> References: <200406162032.i5GKW7aI022924@theseus.peterson.af.mil> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 4.2.1 us Carbon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org On Wed, Jun 16, 2004, daniel.yocum@Peterson.af.mil said: >Does that kill the plans for a hack version of Mickey? You live in New York >and run with such interesting company, I'm sure you could find inspiration >for your own adorable rat. >You could call it The Rotten Commie Rat. Who knows it may fly with a >certain segment of the population and you could create a theme park run by >the government. > >I hear the dust bunnies and ghost turds under your bed are in cahoots with >Washington too, don't even look in your bedroom closet, all those anxieties >scuttling around amongst your shoes have been connected for decades. Daniel: As always, I can only guess the meaning of perhaps 1/10th of what you say. But it always cheers me to hear your comments, since they remind me of why I only rarely read the contents of this list anymore, other than to make sure spam and infections don't get through. You do brilliantly deduce that I live in New York City, though (as always) you have only a fragment of a clue about my politics, my personal beliefs, and the people with whom I "run." Before you get all frothy at the mouth, please recall that the only significant group I'm close to, more or less, are the strangers on my subway commute. Oh, and, of course, all in-house turds are normally confined to what arrives in my "new messages" mailbox. Far be it from me to steer you away from your fantasies, though. They seem to bring you such ... joy, and who am I to interfere with that? --tim o'connor - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Wed Jun 16 19:09:35 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5GN9Zw16592 for bananafish-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tim O'Connor" To: bananafish Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:08:16 -0400 Message-Id: <20040616230816.6136@mail.panix.com> In-Reply-To: <12d.43c332c5.2e01fa68@aol.com> References: <12d.43c332c5.2e01fa68@aol.com> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 4.2.1 us Carbon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org On Wed, Jun 16, 2004, Omlor@aol.com said: >PS: Tim, that settles it. We're getting you to the Mouse someday just to >see what happens to your system. Hey, dude. I have been to the Magic Fiefdom exactly once. It was quite a while ago, in the company of a family that showed limitless bounds of charm, to the point that they actually allowed me to enter the joint with them. The only thing I recall about it, though, was a battleship-class headache that was with me the entire time I was on the grounds. I hopefully carried a bottle of aspirin with me, but the only solution was semi- permanent exile. If anything, the crowds were even WORSE than the ones encountered on a subway commute! I sure wish I could have seen that shot automaton, though. THAT sounds like the kind of experience explicitly created for the observation of fiction writers. (Cf. George Saunders, and his book, Civilwarland in Bad Decline: Stories and a Novella. Anyone who has a year-round pass to Disney-town should check out this hilarious view of behind-the-scenes action in an amusement park. Oh, and on pure merit, we shouldn't ignore Lorrie Moore's novel, Who Will Run the Frog Hospital? -- a large part of which takes place in "Storyland," a local employer in the narrator's upstate New York town. Unlike the proceedings in the Mouse House, Moore's amusement-park owner simply writes large checks to victims and witnesses, to counteract any bad experiences in the park.) Now, for twisted imaginative scenes, let's imagine what a Bananafish conclave would be like if held on Disney property. --tim - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Wed Jun 16 20:14:38 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5H0Ecp19364 for bananafish-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200406162356.i5GNuWso009635@theseus.peterson.af.mil> From: Yocum Daniel R Civ 21 CES/CEOE To: "'bananafish@roughdraft.org'" Subject: RE: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night), Se same Street version Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:55:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org "Does that kill the plans for a hack version of Mickey?" The federal Government extended Disney copyrights beyond the usual lengths. You complained about this, why should it bother you or anyone else unless you had plans to capitalize off Disney's material. 1=1 "You live in New York and run with such interesting company, I'm sure you could find inspiration for your own adorable rat." You recently posted your encounter with John Omlor, and NY City has one of the largest rat populations in the world, there was a new book that recently came out and was widely talked about. 2+2=4. "You could call it The Rotten Commie Rat." A lame play off the comment above and your lame comment. If a=b and b=c then a=c. "Who knows it may fly with a certain segment of the population and you could create a theme park run by the government." A second lame play off your lame comment about being a commie and the general talk of Disney land. if a+b=c then b+a=c "I hear the dust bunnies and ghost turds under your bed are in cahoots with Washington too, don't even look in your bedroom closet, all those anxieties scuttling around amongst your shoes have been connected for decades." A play off your anxieties about the US government and business, Since you are so worried about Disney's Mickey ownership and you can't think up a property of your own don't even bother being creative. If rats don't inspire you to be creative than nothing will not even something as simple as a little fluffy accumulation of dust, skin, hair etc collecting under you bed or in you closet where most childish anxieties traditionally reside. x equals negative b plus or minus the square root of (b squared minus four times a times c) all divided by two times a. I know the last one was a little advanced but I have confidence that an intellectual like yourself can handle at least two variables. Daniel Awwww, shucks! Was you in O'lando when I passed through recently? It's a shame, but we could have met up. We could have pitched coins upon Uncle Walt's frozen head. We could have lit on fire the tail of Mickey Mouse. Oh, wait. I think Mickey enjoys Secret Service protection (given that Washington has given the mouse-keepers everything ELSE they demanded, I am sure that protection of the mouse is simply the latest perk), so I had best retract that remark so I don't get called something like "you unpatriotic rotten doctor commie rat"! --tim - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Wed Jun 16 20:14:39 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5H0Ed819367 for bananafish-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200406170010.i5H0AafU012616@theseus.peterson.af.mil> From: Yocum Daniel R Civ 21 CES/CEOE To: "'bananafish@roughdraft.org'" Subject: RE: Searching for a Pulse (a reply for Tim), sin frothy mouth Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:10:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org I visited Disney world after I had Just turned 18, it was on a twelve hour pass before boot camp graduation and a flight to New Orleans the next day, I hadn't been out in polite society for over 13 weeks. The biggest amusement park I had seen prior to Disney was the midway at the state fair. I initially hung around with a guy from another company, we got to know each other during work week since we were both RCPO's (Recruit Chief Petty Officer) of our respective Companies. He was a big guy 6 foot 6 inches at least from Harlem. He didn't want to ride the Space Mountain Coaster after waiting in line for over an hour since the car was too small. A 17 year girl invited me to ride with her instead. I ended up spending the rest of my time with her. I don't remember much of the amusement side other than it being more kiddish than I expected (6 Flags was more like I imagined). Epcot was a blur but I remember her pretty clearly though. Daniel PS not a single spec of saliva on your impeccable shirt Tim. Hey, dude. I have been to the Magic Fiefdom exactly once. It was quite a while ago, in the company of a family that showed limitless bounds of charm, to the point that they actually allowed me to enter the joint with them. The only thing I recall about it, though, was a battleship-class headache that was with me the entire time I was on the grounds. I hopefully carried a bottle of aspirin with me, but the only solution was semi- permanent exile. If anything, the crowds were even WORSE than the ones encountered on a subway commute! --tim - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Wed Jun 16 20:14:38 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5H0EcN19356 for bananafish-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200406162329.i5GNTodT004933@theseus.peterson.af.mil> From: Yocum Daniel R Civ 21 CES/CEOE To: "'bananafish@roughdraft.org'" Subject: RE: Searching for a Pulse (after the ghost of Saturday night) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:29:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Why guess, ask. But of course that would require you to dismount. It seems that 1/10th is enough for you to be certain of its status as fantasy. Joy? just trying to generate some life in the corpse you preside over but I guess it is not unusual for a man of your age to have forgotten how to play. Oh well, I'll leave to you your own world. Of course I know very little about you, that is the point of communicating. I know of one person with whom you run, or rather ride with, top down. You really have no idea what a ghost turd is? For a man that lives in one of the largest cities in the world you seem to be quite out of touch. A little more closeness with real people can do wonders, and maybe even allow you to understand more than 10% of what you read. Frothy at the mouth? I know it's scary but heck you should be a big boy by now. Daniel Daniel: As always, I can only guess the meaning of perhaps 1/10th of what you say. But it always cheers me to hear your comments, since they remind me of why I only rarely read the contents of this list anymore, other than to make sure spam and infections don't get through. You do brilliantly deduce that I live in New York City, though (as always) you have only a fragment of a clue about my politics, my personal beliefs, and the people with whom I "run." Before you get all frothy at the mouth, please recall that the only significant group I'm close to, more or less, are the strangers on my subway commute. Oh, and, of course, all in-house turds are normally confined to what arrives in my "new messages" mailbox. Far be it from me to steer you away from your fantasies, though. They seem to bring you such ... joy, and who am I to interfere with that? --tim o'connor - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Thu Jun 17 00:59:28 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5H4xST02721 for bananafish-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:59:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Omlor@aol.com Message-ID: <4b.3f34f6b3.2e025dda@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:37:14 EDT Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (a reply for Tim), sin frothy mouth To: bananafish@roughdraft.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4b.3f34f6b3.2e025dda_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10581 Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org --part1_4b.3f34f6b3.2e025dda_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim, Don't even try. It's not worth it. --John (drunk as can be at the end of Bloomsday celebration that beat all) --part1_4b.3f34f6b3.2e025dda_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim,

Don't even try.

It's not worth it.

--John (drunk as can be at the end of Bloomsday celebration that beat al= l)
--part1_4b.3f34f6b3.2e025dda_boundary-- - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Thu Jun 17 17:57:34 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5HLvYC09861 for bananafish-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40D130FD.4020608@drew.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:49:49 -0400 From: James Rovira User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (a reply for Tim), sin frothy mouth References: <4b.3f34f6b3.2e025dda@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4b.3f34f6b3.2e025dda@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Dear John: Now, that was some Disney story... My wife and I were laying in bed last night while I told her. I couldn't even start the story without laughing. When I got to the part where I said, "and then he pulled out a gun" she started laughing too. Hope everyone had a happy bloomsday. Jim Omlor@aol.com wrote: > Tim, > > Don't even try. > > It's not worth it. > > --John (drunk as can be at the end of Bloomsday celebration that beat all) - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Thu Jun 17 17:57:35 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5HLvZe09867 for bananafish-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:57:35 -0400 (EDT) X400-Received: by mta Salem-MTA1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=or.gov/; Relayed; 17 Jun 2004 14:33:27 -0700 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=or.gov/; Relayed; 17 Jun 2004 14:33:27 -0700 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=or.gov/; 40D20E0F.CC38.4721.000] Content-Identifier: 04F9140D20E27009 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Michael.J.Anello@state.or.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <40D20E0F.CC38.4721.000*/c=us/admd=/prmd=or.gov/o=HR/ou=gwise/s=Anello/g=Michael/i=J/@MHS> Date: 17 Jun 2004 14:33:27 -0700 From: ANELLO Michael J To: bananafish@roughdraft.org (IPM Return requested) (Receipt notification requested) Subject: Aren't we Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org isn't everything water...and aren't we all duck's backs? all the best, -deaf boy hump ps - if yer ever hungry as a hog; try some brown rice, seaweed and a dirty hot dog. that'll fill ya up alright! - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Thu Jun 17 17:57:35 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5HLvZL09865 for bananafish-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200406171351.i5HDpv9l021711@theseus.peterson.af.mil> From: Yocum Daniel R Civ 21 CES/CEOE To: "'bananafish@roughdraft.org'" Subject: RE: Searching for a Pulse (a reply for Tim), sin frothy mouth Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:51:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C45471.CE703CA6" Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45471.CE703CA6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Seymour is not so mysterious now, between Muriel/Florida vacation stories and a German pistol, well the choice is obvious now. Daniel -----Original Message----- From: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org [mailto:owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org]On Behalf Of Omlor@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:37 PM To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (a reply for Tim), sin frothy mouth Tim, Don't even try. It's not worth it. --John (drunk as can be at the end of Bloomsday celebration that beat all) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45471.CE703CA6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Seymour is not so mysterious now, between Muriel/Florida vacation stories and a German pistol, well the choice is obvious now.
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org [mailto:owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org]On Behalf Of Omlor@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:37 PM
To: bananafish@roughdraft.org
Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (a reply for Tim), sin frothy mouth

Tim,

Don't even try.

It's not worth it.

--John (drunk as can be at the end of Bloomsday celebration that beat all)
------_=_NextPart_001_01C45471.CE703CA6-- - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Thu Jun 17 20:05:16 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5I05Gp16319 for bananafish-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200406172253.i5HMr1K0022522@theseus.peterson.af.mil> From: Yocum Daniel R Civ 21 CES/CEOE To: "'bananafish@roughdraft.org'" Subject: RE: Aren't we Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:52:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Mike, "There are 10 kinds of people in the world... Those who understand binary and those who don't." Daniel isn't everything water...and aren't we all duck's backs? all the best, -deaf boy hump ps - if yer ever hungry as a hog; try some brown rice, seaweed and a dirty hot dog. that'll fill ya up alright! - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Fri Jun 18 10:23:00 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5IEN0f18687 for bananafish-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003701c45505$3d106aa0$72a57dc2@j8l6n9> From: "Scottie Bowman" To: References: <4b.3f34f6b3.2e025dda@aol.com> <40D130FD.4020608@drew.edu> Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (a reply for Tim), sin frothy mouth Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:24:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org '... When I got to the part where I said, "and then he pulled out a gun" she started laughing too ...' It must be the way you tell 'em, Jim. The above ain't echt Omlor. Scottie B. - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Fri Jun 18 18:57:41 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5IMvfn12361 for bananafish-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Re: Searching for a Pulse (a reply for Tim), sin frothy mouth From: "James J. Rovira" To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:30:40 -0400 X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: jrovira MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1087583440.9dacb78jrovira@drew.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dont.panix.com id i5IIRnC28517 Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Coming from you, that is a compliment indeed. You should know, though, that any Disney story involving guns and animated characters bleeding hydraulic fluid are good for laughs in pretty much any company at pretty much any time over here on this side of the Atlantic, especially for anyone living in or around Central Florida... Jim -----Original Message----- From: "Scottie Bowman" To: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:24:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Searching for a Pulse (a reply for Tim), sin frothy mouth '... When I got to the part where I said, "and then he pulled out a gun" she started laughing too ...' It must be the way you tell 'em, Jim. The above ain't echt Omlor. Scottie B. - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Fri Jun 18 18:57:41 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5IMvfM12360 for bananafish-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:57:41 -0400 (EDT) X400-Received: by mta Salem-MTA1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=or.gov/; Relayed; 18 Jun 2004 08:14:05 -0700 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=or.gov/; Relayed; 18 Jun 2004 08:14:05 -0700 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=or.gov/; 40D306B2.CC38.76A2.000] Content-Identifier: 0486B40D306BD007 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Michael.J.Anello@state.or.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <40D306B2.CC38.76A2.000*/c=us/admd=/prmd=or.gov/o=HR/ou=gwise/s=Anello/g=Michael/i=J/@MHS> Date: 18 Jun 2004 08:14:05 -0700 From: ANELLO Michael J To: bananafish@roughdraft.org (IPM Return requested) (Receipt notification requested), daniel.yocum@Peterson.af.mil (IPM Return requested) (Receipt notification requested) Subject: RE: Aren't we Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org is binary the oh wun oh wun oh's? i know what it is maybe. pretty sure me not understand it. i know what it is maybe = oh pretty sure me not understand it = wun -mike >>> daniel.yocum@Peterson.af.mil 06/17/04 05:05PM >>> Mike, "There are 10 kinds of people in the world... Those who understand binary and those who don't." Daniel isn't everything water...and aren't we all duck's backs? - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Sun Jun 20 20:51:23 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5L0pNZ29772 for bananafish-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:51:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Originating-IP: [66.108.163.113] X-Originating-Email: [benjaminzimmerman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: benjaminzimmerman@hotmail.com From: "Benjamin Zimmerman" To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: Hello from a new member. Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:25:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2004 00:25:53.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[5036D100:01C45726] Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org 20th June (2004) Dear bananafish list: For last six weeks (approximately), I am reading your collection of listed messages on Web. I mean, messages on your Web site arena. When I reach end of 2003 everything stopped. I worried your list was unfavoured because there was nothing past 31 December (2003), and in course of time I notice many number of dead of the Abandoned W.W.W. Sites, their owners who close doors and are never see again. I sent inquiry to editor, manager, owner Mr O'Conner, who replies to say he has many messages still to go on Web, that he works on it. I hope, because list is chopped off now like there is no 2004 year ever happen. Also, there is vote of confidence if enough people should inquire about the missing pages, then I would yes!!! He replied to explained that he would be caught up right soon with email (e-mial). He said "we hope to catch up soon or Soon," which seemed like some kind of joke about my english which I admitt is not so good yet! I work hard to change that! Consider how it is I read your favorite writer Salinger and understand his words but am cannot understand enough that I express myself with same words enough. I convince to myself I become a subscriber then I was happy because to subscribe is free. Not many things really free like that is way. Yet, that would make my feel bad, the way like making of a the last month or so and messages. I felt certain that I would join. However, I first did want to read actual messages to get sense whether I woduld enjoy it well on my self. I got impression there is "central core" of members who do most talking. Then there is second group of people (some overlap with both groups), who criticize other of group. I dont want of take to sides because this is about writing and writer I like and not to fight. Well, I am happy to introduce myself but still know there is long way to join conversation and I have to go far with writing that can do express of myself. My favorite other American writer has to be when Ernest Hemingway was a young man and made beautifull sentences like I only dream to make. That is all for me to say and that I appreciate that I can to join your very good mailing list talking about writer we like all together, and enjoy what we have done! Benjamin Zimmerman _________________________________________________________________ MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 21 08:08:34 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5LC8YR23167 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003501c4575d$71120d40$54a57dc2@j8l6n9> From: "Scottie Bowman" To: "Scottie Bowman" , Subject: Re: Hello from a new member. Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:00:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org '... must at all costs should try to avoid at all costs ...' Bloody, six o'clock in the morning, gouty, seventy-five year old, fucking fingers.... Scottie B. - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 21 08:08:33 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5LC8Xu23166 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003001c4575d$12bf04a0$54a57dc2@j8l6n9> From: "Scottie Bowman" To: References: Subject: Re: Hello from a new member. Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:57:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Believe me, Benjamin, you have absolutely no need to apologise for your English. You're a great deal more intelligible than most of the bananafish around these parts. And anyone who 'dreams of writing the kind of sentences Ernest Hemingway wrote as a young man ...' That alone marks you as someone with all the right instincts. Hang onto them & (at this point I start whispering) don't let yourself be seduced by the glib facilities of Jerome Salinger. Study them, instead, as examples of the kind of thing you must at all costs should try to avoid at all costs. Scottie B. - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 21 16:15:41 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5LKFfX12805 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Re: Hello from a new member. From: "James J. Rovira" To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:57:25 -0400 X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: jrovira MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1087826245.9774798jrovira@drew.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dont.panix.com id i5LDsXC27173 Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Nice to see the Great Scottie can mess up sometimes :). And yes, welcome to Mr. Zimmerman, and God Help Him for having read all that stuff in the archive. Dear Lord. And he's still on here :). My oh my. Very impressed. Where are you from? Jim -----Original Message----- From: "Scottie Bowman" To: "Scottie Bowman" '... must at all costs should try to avoid at all costs ...' Bloody, six o'clock in the morning, gouty, seventy-five year old, fucking fingers.... Scottie B. - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 21 16:15:43 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5LKFhx12822 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:15:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Originating-IP: [63.84.198.180] X-Originating-Email: [holmesdavis@hotmail.com] X-Sender: holmesdavis@hotmail.com From: "Holmes Davis" To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: Re: Hello from a new member. Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:15:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2004 18:15:28.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB3378B0:01C457BB] Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Jerome is very seductive, his writing style, and word usuage ecspecially, they try to hold hands with my own style, and vocabulary on a frequent basis but I keep my mental defenses awake and ever aware of this strange happening JDS has his own voice, he shall have to leave mine alone! >From: "Scottie Bowman" >Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org >To: >Subject: Re: Hello from a new member. >Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:57:51 +0100 > > > Believe me, Benjamin, you have absolutely no need > to apologise for your English. You're a great deal more > intelligible than most of the bananafish around these parts. > > And anyone who 'dreams of writing the kind of sentences > Ernest Hemingway wrote as a young man ...' That alone > marks you as someone with all the right instincts. Hang onto > them & (at this point I start whispering) don't let yourself > be seduced by the glib facilities of Jerome Salinger. > > Study them, instead, as examples of the kind of thing you > must at all costs should try to avoid at all costs. > > Scottie B. > >- >* Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message >* UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH _________________________________________________________________ Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN Family Travel Guide! http://dollar.msn.com - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 21 16:15:42 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5LKFgk12817 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:15:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Originating-IP: [63.84.198.180] X-Originating-Email: [holmesdavis@hotmail.com] X-Sender: holmesdavis@hotmail.com From: "Holmes Davis" To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: RE: Hello from a new member. Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:05:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2004 18:05:33.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[586F28B0:01C457BA] Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Welcome to the board, I have several Hemingway books as well; I try to squeeze him in, but Thomas Wolfe, and F Scott Fitzgerald seem to gain favor most evenings - Some nights I even get a chance to work on my own stories, but they get very jealous Cheers, M Hollis Fischer >From: "Benjamin Zimmerman" >Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org >To: bananafish@roughdraft.org >Subject: Hello from a new member. >Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:25:53 -0700 > >20th June (2004) > >Dear bananafish list: > >For last six weeks (approximately), I am reading your collection of listed >messages on Web. I mean, messages on your Web site arena. When I reach >end of 2003 everything stopped. I worried your list was unfavoured because >there was nothing past 31 December (2003), and in course of time I notice >many number of dead of the Abandoned W.W.W. Sites, their owners who close >doors and are never see again. > >I sent inquiry to editor, manager, owner Mr O'Conner, who replies to say he >has many messages still to go on Web, that he works on it. I hope, because >list is chopped off now like there is no 2004 year ever happen. > >Also, there is vote of confidence if enough people should inquire about the >missing pages, then I would yes!!! > >He replied to explained that he would be caught up right soon with email >(e-mial). He said "we hope to catch up soon or Soon," which seemed like >some kind of joke about my english which I admitt is not so good yet! I >work hard to change that! Consider how it is I read your favorite writer >Salinger and understand his words but am cannot understand enough that I >express myself with same words enough. > >I convince to myself I become a subscriber then I was happy because to >subscribe is free. Not many things really free like that is way. Yet, >that would make my feel bad, the way like making of a the last month or so >and messages. I felt certain that I would join. However, I first did want >to read actual messages to get sense whether I woduld enjoy it well on my >self. I got impression there is "central core" of members who do most >talking. Then there is second group of people (some overlap with both >groups), who criticize other of group. I dont want of take to sides >because this is about writing and writer I like and not to fight. > >Well, I am happy to introduce myself but still know there is long way to >join conversation and I have to go far with writing that can do express of >myself. > >My favorite other American writer has to be when Ernest Hemingway was a >young man and made beautifull sentences like I only dream to make. > >That is all for me to say and that I appreciate that I can to join your >very good mailing list talking about writer we like all together, and enjoy >what we have done! > >Benjamin Zimmerman > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from >Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ > >- >* Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message >* UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 21 16:15:42 2004 Received: by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5LKFgq12811 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040621161918.12749.qmail@web60905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: City Cabin Subject: Ginsberg re JDS To: bananafish@roughdraft.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org "Reading Lawrence's poems & also Salinger who's amusing. Odd to see how *Time* built him up as great American Novelist of Decade & now party line's changed and they're attacking him." --3/10/63 letter, written in India, to his father Louis. "Conservative religious fundamentalists already control the airwaves on which I can't recite my poetry. If they take control of the grass roots school boards, they'll kick my work out of school libraries as they have Salinger's wherever they can. Check your local library to see what books have been banned and under what pressure." --"Noticing What Is Vivid", published in *Northern Centinel*, Fall 1993. As an aside, one of my personal joys was to have had the pleasure of attending a dual poetry reading of Allen and Louis Ginsberg in the early '70s in San Sodomisco. --Bruce __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 21 20:02:39 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5M02d822156 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40D74DB3.9090008@rcsis.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:05:55 -0700 From: Brian Leupp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en,de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: Re: Hello from a new member. References: <003001c4575d$12bf04a0$54a57dc2@j8l6n9> In-Reply-To: <003001c4575d$12bf04a0$54a57dc2@j8l6n9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TST: smtp2.mc.surewest.net SNWK3 0.31-74 ip=66.60.169.208 Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org I have to admit my experience with Usenet has jaded me to the point where, upon reading Mr. Zimmerman's very earnest effort, my first thought was "sockpuppet". But then, I'm new here too-- maybe you folks are beyond all that.........? Scottie Bowman wrote: > Believe me, Benjamin, you have absolutely no need > to apologise for your English. You're a great deal more > intelligible than most of the bananafish around these parts. > > And anyone who 'dreams of writing the kind of sentences > Ernest Hemingway wrote as a young man ...' That alone > marks you as someone with all the right instincts. Hang onto > them & (at this point I start whispering) don't let yourself > be seduced by the glib facilities of Jerome Salinger. > > Study them, instead, as examples of the kind of thing you > must at all costs should try to avoid at all costs. > > Scottie B. > >- >* Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message >* UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH > > > > - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH From oconnort@panix.com Mon Jun 21 21:51:55 2004 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dont.panix.com (8.11.6p2-a/8.8.8/PanixLC1.7) id i5M1pt526320 for bananafish-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40D788D2.5000407@drew.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:18:10 -0400 From: James Rovira User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bananafish@roughdraft.org Subject: Re: Hello from a new member. References: <003001c4575d$12bf04a0$54a57dc2@j8l6n9> <40D74DB3.9090008@rcsis.com> In-Reply-To: <40D74DB3.9090008@rcsis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bananafish@roughdraft.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bananafish@roughdraft.org We've had our sockpuppets in the past -- it has been a long time, though.. But Mr. Zimmerman sounded to me like the real thing. Jim Brian Leupp wrote: > I have to admit my experience with Usenet has jaded me to the point > where, upon reading Mr. Zimmerman's very earnest effort, my first > thought was "sockpuppet". But then, I'm new here too-- maybe you folks > are beyond all that.........? > > - * Unsubscribing? Mail majordomo@roughdraft.org with the message * UNSUBSCRIBE BANANAFISH