Subject: Re: I Wanna Be Sedated...
From: Michael Snyder (mkesnyder@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Apr 16 2001 - 15:45:51 GMT
Before scolding Cecilia, consider another interpretation
(there is not one truth that "everyone knows"): Punk was
invented in the late 60s/early 70s by American revolutionaries
and decadents like the Velvet Underground, the MC5, the Stooges,
and the New York Dolls. It was developed in the 70s by both UK
and US bands.
British punk bands included the Damned, whose 1st album
preceded the Sex Pistols' as the 1st _UK_ punk album; the
Stranglers; the Clash; the Buzzcocks, who released the first
independent punk record; Wire, et cetera. All of these bands
released their debuts in 1977.
The Sex Pistols were masterminded by the svengali-esque
Malcolm MacLaren (who had previously worked with the New York
Dolls) and led by Johnny Rotten (Lydon), not especially by the
ever-wasted Sid Vicious, who I don't believe was even an
original member of the band.
In the US, the Ramones' self-titled 1st LP from 1976
preceded the Sex Pistols'(1977), and early NYC punks Richard
Hell & the Voidoids (1st ep-1976), Television (1st lp 1977), and
the Dead Boys (1st LP 1977) were contemporaries. (all release
dates from the _Trouser Press Record Guide_.)
--Michael S.
--- Scottie Bowman <rbowman@indigo.ie> wrote:
>
> '... I think it's enough to say that the man's credited
> with
> creating the ultra-countercultural movement, punk rock
> ...'
>
> I BEG your pardon.
>
> Like penicillin, the sundered lithium atom, the cavity
> magnetron, Newtonian physics, Humeian philosophy,
> & the Cumberland sausage, punk rock was not an American
> invention - but BRITISH. And as even the most brutish
> Louisiana swamp dweller knows - as even *I* know -
> its onlie begetter was Sid Vicious, he of the Sex Pistols.
>
> But not only do you reveal the extreme parochialism of
> your world view, Cecilia, you're now beginning to show
> your age. ('Ah, you'll never know la douceur de la vie
> if you didn't know the Seventies ....')
>
> Do you REALLY think humanity changes from generation
> to generation? Little Davy Brooks doing his 'survey' in
> Princeton sounds as sweetly gullible as Margaret Meade
> with her Booboogaloo Islanders. 'Seek & ye shall find -
> whatever it was you were hoping to find in the first
> place...'
>
> Human being remain the same old conforming drears they've
> been from Day One. For every two moderately original
> souls who set the tone there are twenty four thousand
> whose
> only wish - whose only ability - is to follow whatever
> happens
> to be the current wave. When you - all those years ago -
> were
> bravely defying your parents you did so, I'm pretty sure,
> in strict
> conformity with whatever was acceptable to your peer
> group.
> How many of your fellow 'rebels' thought of joining the
> American
> Nazi Party or the KKK or, even, the junior branch of the
> GOP
> in token of true rebellion? Or wear a three-piece suit,
> or a decent
> dress - when all about were stuffing dead daffs in their
> hair?
> Not many, old Cec, not many.
>
> Don't fret over the Organisation Kids - they're no more
> a real entity & represent no more a genuine attitude than
> any
> of their predecessors (except insofar as unimaginatinve
> compliance has always been the human norm.) We're going
> to have to depend, as ever, on the true odd bods - who
> cannot
> be forecast or captured in any old amateur sociological
> survey.
> (By another of those guys who hope sheer weight of
> verbiage
> will give an impression of seriousness.)
>
> Scottie B.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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