Re: an arteest

I just loved the way Bush's diplomatic skills were at play.
"we want a peaceful solution, but we're gonna bomb you, but we want a
peaceful solution, but we're gonna bomb you anyway, but we want a
peacefull..."
tina

>Well, the problem as I see it is that our foreign diplomacy and policies
>are controlled mostly by the Pentagon.
>Let's say your neighbor's music was too loud and keeping you up. Would you
>walk over, knock on the door and ask him to turn it down while lifting your
>shirt to show him the 9mm tucked in your belt? Do this sort of thing
>enough and the whole block will despise you. Then when the same neighbor
>is beating his kid, and you try to get everyone together and do what's
>necessary to stop him, they have turned their backs on you. Now you have
>to "Go it alone" you seeker of justice.
>Violence should be the last resort, but it plainly isn't for the US. And
>it's starting to catch up with us. All it will take is some sort of large
>dispute and the EU will become a world super power militarily. (Think of
>how the US's civil war turned our federal government into a military
>power). It may be a hundred years from now, but it will happen. And then
>we won't be the biggest kid on the block. How do we want to be perceived
>when that day arrives?
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>JPB
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> James Rovira
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>Nah, Scottie, as I said before, I really have no problem with Hussein
>being overthrown. It needed to happen a long time ago. It needed to
>happen in 1991, but world opinion then as now was against it. It
>doesn't bother me that we and the Brits and a few others are kicking out
>this monster militarily.
>
>It does bother me that we virtually ignored diplomacy from the very
>start. Not diplomacy to avoid the war, but diplomacy to sell the war to
>our allies. Bush Sr. worked hard to get international support for the
>first Gulf War. The need was clear, of course -- it was much easier to
>sell at the time because Hussein invaded Kuwait. But the effort was
>also clearly made. It wasn't this time. Bush started out thinking in
>unilateral terms and brought in the UN as an afterthought. That was a
>stupid, unnecessary approach that alienated people from the start.
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>Now, I'm not kidding myself about the level of self interest involved on
>the part of France, Germany, and Russia to maintain the status quo.
> Whatever we sold Hussein in the 80s, these three -- especially France
>and Russia -- were always much closer trading partners with Hussein. I
>suspect there's more innocent Iraqi blood on their hands than even on
>ours after this invasion. It's quite likely the diplomacy I wanted to
>see would have been completely ineffective.
>
>However, I still wanted to see it.
>
>And, I'm sorry, but when the US firebombed a large cross section of
>Panama City, killing hundreds of innocent civilians, I find it hard to
>believe we were doing something that was "necessary." Noriega, like
>Hussein, was another bad guy we supported who then made the mistake of
>thinking he was actually in charge of his own country. Of course we had
>to kick him out before the Panama Canal returned to Panamanian control.
> Did we have to murder innocents to do it? Is it really impossible to
>keep the commies out expect through totalitarian dictatorships?
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>And what's our excuse now that international communism has largely
>collapsed?
>
>Jim
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>Scottie Bowman wrote:
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> > How I hate to see Americans - who no doubt regard
> > themselves as sophisticated liberals - chipping away
> > endlessly, like whining babies in a supermarket, at the exertions
> > of their own country. OF COURSE no government
> > is run like a Sunday school. OF COURSE in this hard
> > world each country must try to serve the interests of its
> > own citizens. OF COURSE consistency & morality
> > are irrelevant after the 6th grade debating society.
> >
> > Grow up.
> >
> > At least you're that significant, teeny-teeny-teeny bit kinder,
> > better-intentioned, than the rest. Almost as good, in fact,
> > as my own people before we withdrew to play the role
> > of Greece to your Rome.
> >
> > It will be revealed soon, I'm sure, that it was nothing more
> > than the CNN Rentacrowd who thronged, laughing & clapping
> > last night round those young Americans in their APCs as
> > they prepared to haul Sadam off his plinth. They were bloody
> > good actors.
> >
> > Just for a moment, though - just maybe these next 48 hours -
> > could you stop the cribbing & express some gratitude to those
> > simple-hearted, bone-headed, probably sadistic militarists
> > who have brought about a rather fundamental, perhaps even
> > welcome, change in the lives of a whole lot of Iraqis?
> >
> > Scottie B.
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