Re: Insight please...

TheSecretGoldfish (lime6@rocketmail.com)
Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:54:44 -0700 (PDT)

---SPmaniac <SPmaniac@aol.com> wrote:
>
> *Her last comment was aimed at my Mr Antolini
statement.  She aske me "you
> really think
> so? Mr. A fondles him! and he runs!"
> 
> This is how i know that my teacher gained nothing
and understood nothing
> important that
> this book had to say.  Mr Antolini knows what the
fuck he's talkin about.  I'm
> mainly
> refering to the quote that he gave holden, and his
assesment of holden's
> state.  The quote
> was something along the lines of "Immature men want
to fight, and mature men
> are humble."
> (sorry, i just masacered the most important quote
in the book)  And my
> thoughts on Mr.
> Antolini fondling Holden are that even the best
advice can come from fucked up
> individuals. And i think that perverts why high on
Holdens list of people he
> hates.  I think
> the whole scene with Mr. Antolini was the most
openly writen part.  I can't
> really explain
> it, but it seemed that Salinger was really pouring
his guts.  And then to make
> up for that, he shocked and sickened you with the
whole, uncomfortable,
> fondling scene.  I cant really put this to words,
its just something you have
> to know, and feel.
>
**********************************************************************
> So thats it. If anyone can, please give me your
comments on both my paper, and
> my teachers comments.  Tell me if i'm just fucked
up, and cant see it.  Thanx
> for reading
> 
>                                                    
                          
> Patrick
> 

first of all, thanks patrick.
just because.
secondly i don't think the financial security is
inconsequential. (i could elaborate but this isn't
the reason i'm replying)
then the point:
i don't think mister antolini does "fondle" holden.
especially since someone (i can't rememeber who/whom)
made the suggestion of mr. antolini being holden as
an adult. or a holden as an adult (one of the nicest
things to happen since i've been on this list.) as
far as i can remember,i don't have catcher with me,
all mr. antolini did was kinda pet holden's head.
holden woke up and it freaked him out. i think mr.
antolini cared about holden like people care about
children, and just wanted to protect and care for him
in the same kind of way. maybe that makes me a
pervert too. when i hold my sleeping neice and put my
hand on her head and just look at her sleeping and
wish she didn't have to grow up like this. but as far
as i know there is nothing perverted about this and i
still find it confusing and get angry with the way
holden reacts. holden perverts the actions of mr.
antolini into something they are not; perverts mr.
antolini into something which he is unfortunately
more familiar or comfortable with. something he can
write off with a word. i don't feel like going into
it. basically i don't think your teacher is any more
righter *grin* in saying (why the hell did i grin in
a sentence like this) that mr. A fondled holden than
my teacher was when she told the class, before we had
even started to read the book, that holden was really
just having problems coming to grips with his
homosexuality. (that stradlater's really a sexy
bastard. ;) she also told us william blake was racist
because he said that moor's and jews and heathens
were all equal in the eyes of god.
luckily i've been expelled and will not be having any
more books or poems ruined for me by incompetent
english teachers. on a sadder note my younger sister,
an ex-cheerleader who doesn't read and will have
nothing to do with poetry, has recently realized that
she doesn't have the math or science skills required
to be a doctor or accountant or the secretary of a
doctor or accountant, and so has decided (of course
she'll get the summers off) to become a teacher. and
since she isn't qualified to teach math or science,
she'll become an english teacher.

the revolution is dead! long live the revolution!
paul.

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