---SPmaniac <SPmaniac@aol.com> wrote: > > *Her last comment was aimed at my Mr Antolini statement. She aske me "you > really think > so? Mr. A fondles him! and he runs!" > > This is how i know that my teacher gained nothing and understood nothing > important that > this book had to say. Mr Antolini knows what the fuck he's talkin about. I'm > mainly > refering to the quote that he gave holden, and his assesment of holden's > state. The quote > was something along the lines of "Immature men want to fight, and mature men > are humble." > (sorry, i just masacered the most important quote in the book) And my > thoughts on Mr. > Antolini fondling Holden are that even the best advice can come from fucked up > individuals. And i think that perverts why high on Holdens list of people he > hates. I think > the whole scene with Mr. Antolini was the most openly writen part. I can't > really explain > it, but it seemed that Salinger was really pouring his guts. And then to make > up for that, he shocked and sickened you with the whole, uncomfortable, > fondling scene. I cant really put this to words, its just something you have > to know, and feel. > ********************************************************************** > So thats it. If anyone can, please give me your comments on both my paper, and > my teachers comments. Tell me if i'm just fucked up, and cant see it. Thanx > for reading > > > Patrick > first of all, thanks patrick. just because. secondly i don't think the financial security is inconsequential. (i could elaborate but this isn't the reason i'm replying) then the point: i don't think mister antolini does "fondle" holden. especially since someone (i can't rememeber who/whom) made the suggestion of mr. antolini being holden as an adult. or a holden as an adult (one of the nicest things to happen since i've been on this list.) as far as i can remember,i don't have catcher with me, all mr. antolini did was kinda pet holden's head. holden woke up and it freaked him out. i think mr. antolini cared about holden like people care about children, and just wanted to protect and care for him in the same kind of way. maybe that makes me a pervert too. when i hold my sleeping neice and put my hand on her head and just look at her sleeping and wish she didn't have to grow up like this. but as far as i know there is nothing perverted about this and i still find it confusing and get angry with the way holden reacts. holden perverts the actions of mr. antolini into something they are not; perverts mr. antolini into something which he is unfortunately more familiar or comfortable with. something he can write off with a word. i don't feel like going into it. basically i don't think your teacher is any more righter *grin* in saying (why the hell did i grin in a sentence like this) that mr. A fondled holden than my teacher was when she told the class, before we had even started to read the book, that holden was really just having problems coming to grips with his homosexuality. (that stradlater's really a sexy bastard. ;) she also told us william blake was racist because he said that moor's and jews and heathens were all equal in the eyes of god. luckily i've been expelled and will not be having any more books or poems ruined for me by incompetent english teachers. on a sadder note my younger sister, an ex-cheerleader who doesn't read and will have nothing to do with poetry, has recently realized that she doesn't have the math or science skills required to be a doctor or accountant or the secretary of a doctor or accountant, and so has decided (of course she'll get the summers off) to become a teacher. and since she isn't qualified to teach math or science, she'll become an english teacher. the revolution is dead! long live the revolution! paul. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com