> viewing this (the stop when they say no > thing) as a sexual dysfunction seems to me wrong. > aren't you supposed to stop if someone says no? Absolutely right. I didn't frame it very well. I meant that Holden doesn't quite seem to know what to make of sex (which is natural for a sixteen year old), but also that he does not actually have any erotic moments with any girl (I've even read one critic say the closest thing to an erotic moment he has is while dancing with Phoebe, which seems a little sick to me) - he sifts through just about every form of sexuality and none seems right for him (hey here's a subversive suggestion : IS HOLDEN GAY ?) and survivors of sexual abuse either tend to become sexually voracious or else totally the opposite. Camille Scaysbrook verona_beach@geocities.com THE ARTS HOLE @ www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/6442